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Spearmint Rhino
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Horse, Linus isn't only talking about the McCartneys. He's extending it to other supporters of animal rights, celeb and non-celeb.
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I lean towards your side of the argument here, SR, but linus did point out that he was flagging the perceived hypocrisy of some individuals, and was careful not to apply his judgment across the board (at least after being asked to clarify whether that was his intention).

Anyway, it is a non-sequitur to argue that because you energetically Cause A you are indifferent to Cause B.

I mean, I feel strongly about injustices in Palestine or Zimbabwe, and apply some energy in expressing my strong feelings. I do not equally engage myself much in respect to injustices in Burma or Tibet. Does that mean I therefore acquiesce in the abuses in Burma and Tibet? Obviously not.

I also see no relation in McCartney supporting the invasion of Iraq to his being an energetic animal rights campaigner. By all means, one may argue the specific stances he takes, but it is irrelevant that he objects to seal clubbing while supporting the war in/on Iraq.

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Spearmint Rhino
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Well, quite. Linus is claiming a direct connection between opposing seal hunting and supporting the invasion of Iraq. Which is just insane, whether applied to the McCartneys or anyone else.
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I don't think that is what he's doing.

This is the point he's positing, which seems at least plausible:

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It is also a "safe" cause, celebrities can speak out in favor of animal rights without having that affect record sales or their chances of being dropped from the movie industry (see what happened to the Dixie Chicks). They do so either because they don't want to speak out against the causes that really matter more, or are too dumb or politically outright wrong to leverage their celebrity status to make a difference.
I don't believe linus is addressing non-celebrity animal rights activists at all (beyond a general impression that he's not convinced it's as big an issue as human rights, which is a pretty widespread one). If he is, then I think he's wrong.
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Is McCartney to the UK public a bit of what Beckenbauer is to the German public?

A person who has great merits, but gets on your nerves and is somewhat embarrassing nowadays?

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I'd say that's fair, but you don't really need the "nowadays".
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I think it’s understood that McCartney is not as popular or as talented as he thinks he is, despite his wealth. Before Heather came on the scene he was my least favourite Beatle, but it speaks volume for her lack of charm that she managed to make McCartney almost likeable.

But at least she offers plenty by way of entertainment value (as all habitual liars do) compared to other celebrities – I especially loved her two tone suit that she wore when the verdict was announced which is something even Jason King wouldn’t be seen dead in; and cracking up on GMTV? That’s Rock and Roll – you can keep your crack dens and you’re your rehab.

I now look differently on the day when George Harrison died and she was linking arms with McCartney when he gave his ‘heartfelt’ tribute to the media. Instead of wondering ‘What the fuck’s she doing there?’ I now ask myself ‘What the fuck’s he doing letting her into the shot?’ In fact, the words of tribute that were supposed to pour out of this music maestro’s mouth were of so little consequence that when ITV did a special news bulletin to commemorate Harrison’s life the first tribute came from Michael Palin, who worked on several Hand Made films (including Life of Brian).

I can now go back to hating McCartney again, although Ringo now runs him close for mantle of least favourite Beatle.

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I think it’s understood that McCartney is not as popular or as talented as he thinks he is, despite his wealth.
What an incredible statement to make! Even if one doesn't like the Beatles. I'll agree that McCartney's creativity has run dry, as it did with Stevie Wonder. But lack of talent? Please!
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Was it really a "two-tone suit"? Wasn't it red and green halves?
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Close.. blue and tan/beige, wasn't it?

Like some sort of late-70s Jimmy Page homage to Blackburn Rovers.

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I'd say "not as talented as he thinks he is" is fair comment.

And it doesn't mean that he isn't/wasn't an incredibly gifted musician. Just that his ego manages to outstrip even that.

Like, in his autobiography, he compares himself as a film director to Fellini...

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Hommage a Graeme Souness (the red shirt evokes both Liverpool and the red rose in Blackburn's badge):

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I'm not saying McCartney isn't talented, clearly he is. I just think he has a somewhat lofted opinion of himself, that's all.

And I apologise for my 'two tone' error. Lacking any sense of fashion I did not feel compelled to seek out the appropriate term for what was an interesting suit. And I much prefer the Jimmy Page analogy.

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I see. Granted, I don't know much about McCartney's self-perceptions.

And the whole Thumbs-up Macca act annoys me.

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I would like to ask though why on earth you think your status as an animal on this earth is privileged above that of any other.
I am no expert but doesn't every animal think that it is more privileged than any other? I assume we are the only ones who can question our own inferiority/superiority/equality
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