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Bored Of The Dance
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I think I have mentioned previously on youth football threads that I am very much in the "Enjoy it, try your best and play fair" camp when it comes to the team.

On Sunday, we were playing the mighty Frome Town Youth who we only beat once last season in the 5 fixtures we played against their A & B sides.

That was a tense 1-0 game where, as one our lads rather precociously pointed out, they were all over us and we were lucky to win. It is the sort of game that other managers still talk to me about and we went onto win the tournament, our first trophy.

Anyway, we were playing them again on Sunday and I pointed out to the lads that, while they should enjoy it, they were a good side and it would be a good idea to remember what we have talked about as far as passing, positions and finding space were concerned.

Anyway, in the first half, we went 1-0 up and then they lost concentration completely started chatting to each other, to the other players, not tracking back after losing the ball and arguing amongst each other when they lost the ball. We went 4-1 down and I was going slightly mental at the side

At half-time, I gave them the first bollocking ever. Not exactly a "hairdryer" but certainly a pissed off Cloughie. I told them that there were 4 lads from the B team who would love to come on and play and, if they wanted to have a chat and laugh, I would happily substitute them.

They then went off, played a blinder, and brought it back to 4-3, Chairboy (who was one of themain first half villains) scoring a great goal.

I then calmly praised them for their second half performance and pointed out that they would have won the game if they hadn't let the other side walk though them and score two easy goals in the first half.

After the match, a couple of parents pointed out that I seemed a bit more stressed than normal. I wasn't bothered overly as, firstly, I tihnk they were winding me up about the Cyprus game and, seconly, they are all more competetive than I am and weren't complaining. Also I was quite pleased that it was obvious that I am quite calm normally.

Anyway, if anyone is still reading, I put it to the esteemed OTF jury - am I starting to take it too seriously or did the second-half turnaround justify my actions? In my defence, the lads didn't seem overly bothered, long-term, by my half-time hysteria. Against me is that I was telling 7 years olds off for having a bit of a laugh at football

[ 16.10.2007, 12:16: Message edited by: Chairman of the Bored ]

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Antonio Gramsci
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Not clear on how youth football works in your part of the world - this is a competitve team, right? It's not just a bunch of kids thrown together, it's kids who have had to compete to make it on an A team?

Assuming this is the case, I would lean towards saying that you were right to do what you did. The point of these competitive teams is to improve kids' skill levels, and one of those skills is concentration. If I were the parent of one ok the kids on the subs bench at the time, I would have heartily approved.

You don't want to become a raver full-time, but ticking the kids off when they deserve it is something that all coaches have to do. And as the kids progress in age, you'll probably have to to it more and more.

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On Sunday, we were playing the mighty Frome Town Youth who we only beat once last season in the 5 fixtures we played against their A & B sides.

I haven't read beyond that bit. But if you measure youth football development by measuring team wins then the answer to the thread title would be probably.

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You could look it like this...

When you look back and think about what they remember about the game are they more likely to think...

a) We lost it because we didn't concentrate

or

b) We lost and Chairman shouted at us.

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A competitive game for 7 year olds should be about having fun (emulating their heroes playing a match) and testing themselves in a realistic environment.

Do you think Ronaldinho is more likely to remember a match result from when he was 7 or a trick he did in the game (or how nice is coach was that season)?

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Being shouted at in youth football never hurt me. That's why I run the shop at Bangor City
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quote:
On Sunday, we were playing the mighty Frome Town Youth who we only beat once last season in the 5 fixtures we played against their A & B sides.

I haven't read beyond that bit. But if you measure youth football development by measuring team wins then the answer to the thread title would be probably.

That bit was partly tongue-in-cheek. I do keep a record of the results for two reasons. Firstly as I am a bit of a statto and, secondly, to keep a rough idea of who the stronger teams we are playing are.

I like to mix and match a lot between the two teams*. I find it helps boys of all abilities in personal ball skills, teamwork and fair play. In saying that, I wouldn't want to put one of the less able kids into a game where the other team is very strong and competetive and they would feel swamped and not enjoy it. This is where ther results help.

I am not entirely sure that I shouted at them but they could certainly tell that I was frustrated. I was tring to work out what I was frustrated about afterwards. It wasn't that they lost and it wasn't even that they weren't concentrating, I think it was more that half the team were really trying hard and the others were pissing around somewhat. I felt frustrated for the ones that were trying hard.

I think that you can tell from my query that I am not one to do this often or, or indeed, at all before. I haven't had any complaints from the parents and I saw the lads at training last night and none of them seemed bothered. Indeed, I get the impression that some of them get worse from their parents which doesn't make it right.

Your comments are very valid though

*We do have an "A" and "B" team. Unfortunately, you sort of have to where most of the other teams do. I don't like and do a lot of "squad rotation". I also try not to call them "A" and "B". Indeed, one of the things I was worried about in the half-time talk was that I referred to the other lads as the "B" team by mistake.

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As a 7-year-old, I probably would have cried (I probably still would), but I would also have been heartened to know that I was playing proper football with proper bollockings from the manager and everything.
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After the match, a couple of parents pointed out that I seemed a bit more stressed than normal. I wasn't bothered overly as, firstly, I tihnk they were winding me up about the Cyprus game
I think if you're pitching your under-7 team in against the Cyprus national side then you're perhaps taking it too seriously.

Other than that you sound like a total monster and I'd be appalled if you coached a relative of mine.

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As a seven year-old, I'd probably burst into tears in such a situation. Still would, probably.
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When you look back and think about what they remember about the game are they more likely to think...

a) We lost it because we didn't concentrate

or

b) We lost and Chairman shouted at us

Knowing the little sods I was talking to, they will probably think "Chairman's a wanker". Maybe it would help if I didn't insist they refer to me as Chairman.

Seriously, I broadly agree with all your comments. I would take slight exception to the Ronaldinho one as I feel I should be pitching the coaching to the ones who are like Ronaldinho's childhood mate who ended up as a restaurant dishwasher rather than the few, if any, who are going to be good footballers let alone Ronaldinho.

It is an interesting point though as Ronaldinho is one of the few footballers who looks as though he is enjoying it as much now as when he did when he was 7

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I think if you're pitching your under-7 team in against the Cyprus national side then you're perhaps taking it too seriously.

I think that a 1-0 loss against them is fairly satisfactory. I feel we would have won ifthey hadn't insisted on us playing a 5 man defence in preparation for Wales - especially as we only have 7 in the team and they are all 7 and that they don't concentrate
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My two twin boys who are also seven , play each week.
Living in France , it's interesting to me to see the french attitude at this level.

Some coaches shout and get agitated ; but most push the fun element.
the coach for our lot is a fairly bumbly enthusiast who never says a cross word, except when someone is ripping up a goal post or something (light poles are used not real goal posts).
The team is still unbeaten this season, and the main problem is with too many players wanting to join in - the FFF stipulate at this age only to have maximum 4 outfield players , and about 10 want to play. It gets worse than a hockey game with all teh switches going on.

It has got so bad the "youngest" twin insists in being in goal as he is never substituted then, and he is an out and out attacker in a Wayne Rooney no prisoner style. But he can stay on.

Some of the other coaches , especially the evil SC Schiltingheim (who tell parents to cancel holidays so their kids can go on courses and if they don't throw the kids off the team)take it toooo seriously - we've beat them twice already this year.

So Chairman if you had tried your rocket treatment on FC Lampertheim Debutants 2 team - only my two lads would have understood you as the others only speak French - but the sentiments would have worked.
Discipline that's what these kids need - then they could have tidied their rooms up.

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Chairman - you've read the Jim White book. Remember the Brian McClair advice!
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Coaching youth football at this level is a minefield. I am looking forward to reading Jim White's book on it. THere should be more books like his rather that the idealistic "You should never have to raise your voice at a coaching session" type.

It doesn't help that I was crap at football and never played in a club or got coached properly and usually am using as much from the kids or properly qualified coach that assists me.

Normally, I like to think, I am the bumbling type that your sons have. I normally only get annoyed when kids are pissing around at coaching sessions as it is wasting the time for other kids who want to learn. That is kind of why I got pissed off on Saturday as well

I realise that I am part of the problem in a way becasue kids at this age should be playing all day with jumpers for goalposts and no adults around. Having said that, I am the only one prepared to do the coaching for the kids and, to be fair, at least they haven't got a really shouty manager (The guy in the age group above me has been nicknamed "Alex Ferguson)

Part of me thinks that coaching sessions should be just long versions of "Three and in" and, at matches, I should just pick the captains and let them pick the teams then let everyone pick their positions.

The only problem with that is that parents have paid £100 for their kids to be coached and a lot of them want to see "proper" coaching. Also, as I may have mentioned before, Scott Sinclair of Chelsea played at our club and suddenly you see parents with stars in their eyes

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