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Inca
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The conservative icon is dead.
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The Batebe of Toro Foundation
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Cool.

A tremendous intellect, but also a tremendous wanker.

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This was the chap with the gambling problem, yes?
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That's William Bennett.
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Broads, Buicks, and... Kristol?

Just doesn't work does it.

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ursus arctos
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And will soon be spinning in his grave, should Dubya-style "conservatives" continue to act as they have for the last eight years.

Toro is pretty much spot on in his epitaph.

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Compared to the conservative "intellectuals" today, Buckley was a giant. Completely arrogant, looked like a lizard person, but would have debates with people like Chomsky on his show, "Firing Line," when they couldn't get on TV otherwise.
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Gore Vidal will surely be delighted to have a new place upon which to have a jig.

Vidal is still alive, I hope.

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That's William Bennett.

Ah, I see.

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Vidal is still alive, G-man, though I wouldn't be surprised at all if he will actually miss Buckley. That libel suit was a long time ago, and time had taken its toll on each of them in recent years.
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Saw Buckley still fighting his corner with Jon Stewart on 'Daily Show' not that long ago.

Impressive as he must have been well into his eighties, but he wasn't my cup of tea.

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An odious man, but better than the neocons:
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Podhoretz and Buckley now inhabit opposite poles of post-September 11 American conservatism, and they stare at wholly different Iraqs. Podhoretz is the Brooklyn-born, street-fighting kid who travelled through a long phase of left-liberalism to a pugilistic belief in America's power to redeem the world, one bomb at a time. Today, he is a bristling grey ball of aggression, here to declare that the Iraq war has been "an amazing success." He waves his fist and declaims: "There were WMD, and they were shipped to Syria ... This picture of a country in total chaos with no security is false. It has been a triumph. It couldn't have gone better." He wants more wars, and fast. He is "certain" Bush will bomb Iran, and "thank God" for that.

Buckley is an urbane old reactionary, drunk on doubts. He founded the National Review in 1955 – when conservatism was viewed in polite society as a mental affliction – and he has always been sceptical of appeals to "the people," preferring the eternal top-down certainties of Catholicism. He united with Podhoretz in mutual hatred of Godless Communism, but, slouching into his eighties, he possesses a world view that is ill-suited for the fight to bring democracy to the Muslim world. He was a ghostly presence on the cruise at first, appearing only briefly to shake a few hands. But now he has emerged, and he is fighting.

"Aren't you embarrassed by the absence of these weapons?" Buckley snaps at Podhoretz. He has just explained that he supported the war reluctantly, because Dick Cheney convinced him Saddam Hussein had WMD primed to be fired. "No," Podhoretz replies. "As I say, they were shipped to Syria. During Gulf War I, the entire Iraqi air force was hidden in the deserts in Iran." He says he is "heartbroken" by this "rise of defeatism on the right." He adds, apropos of nothing, "There was nobody better than Don Rumsfeld. This defeatist talk only contributes to the impression we are losing, when I think we're winning." The audience cheers Podhoretz. The nuanced doubts of Bill Buckley leave them confused. Doesn't he sound like the liberal media? Later, over dinner, a tablemate from Denver calls Buckley "a coward". His wife nods and says, "Buckley's an old man," tapping her head with her finger to suggest dementia.


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Buckley, before the New York Bar Association in 1996:

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I have spared you, even as I spared myself, an arithmetical consummation of my inquiry, but the data here cited instruct us that the cost of the drug war is many times more painful, in all its manifestations, than would be the licensing of drugs combined with intensive education of non-users and intensive education designed to warn those who experiment with drugs. We have seen a substantial reduction in the use of tobacco over the last thirty years, and this is not because tobacco became illegal but because a sentient community began, in substantial numbers, to apprehend the high cost of tobacco to human health, even as, we can assume, a growing number of Americans desist from practicing unsafe sex and using polluted needles in this age of AIDS. If 80 million Americans can experiment with drugs and resist addiction using information publicly available, we can reasonably hope that approximately the same number would resist the temptation to purchase such drugs even if they were available at a federal drugstore at the mere cost of production.

And added to the above is the point of civil justice. Those who suffer from the abuse of drugs have themselves to blame for it. This does not mean that society is absolved from active concern for their plight. It does mean that their plight is subordinate to the plight of those citizens who do not experiment with drugs but whose life, liberty, and property are substantially affected by the illegalization of the drugs sought after by the minority.

I have not spoken of the cost to our society of the astonishing legal weapons available now to policemen and prosecutors; of the penalty of forfeiture of one's home and property for violation of laws which, though designed to advance the war against drugs, could legally be used -- I am told by learned counsel -- as penalties for the neglect of one's pets. I leave it at this, that it is outrageous to live in a society whose laws tolerate sending young people to life in prison because they grew, or distributed, a dozen ounces of marijuana. I would hope that the good offices of your vital profession would mobilize at least to protest such excesses of wartime zeal, the legal equivalent of a My Lai massacre. And perhaps proceed to recommend the legalization of the sale of most drugs, except to minors.


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I thought Podhoretz was just a chicken-hawk war monger didn't understand the limits of military power. Now I see that he's also a delusional conspiracy theorist. The WMD's were smuggled to Syria? Where the hell does he get that?
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My first weeks in North America were largely spent watching American talk shows, particularly Buckley's and Dick Cavett's. It was very strange and unworldly introduction, in a distinctly Ivy League kind of way. Buckley really was a master of the barely suppressed, fingers covering the mouth, sneer. He and Norman Mailer going to-to-toe was a real hoot.

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