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My name is Mumpo
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rather than replaying or taking penalties, why not allow a further three or more substitutions from the start of extra time? after all, the whole squad is on the bench these days. that way extra time would not be an exercise in most players simply attempting to remain on their feet rather than collapse from exhaustion.

so extra time becomes like a replay without actually being a replay. simple, but brilliant.

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Amor de Cosmos
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To Spenzo: Of course. Any solution is going to present new opportunities for exploitation and hence new problems. If players play for deflections, as you describe, then defenders will most likely, back off. The attacking player will then be in a situation when he'll have to take on a defender, pass, or get booked for timewasting.

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Alderman Barnes
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What's wrong with penalties?

Why change things around and make things even more unwieldy than they already are? Let's have two refs, four umpires, video replays, radio tags in balls, umpteen replays. Heaven forfend anything unfair might happen. Well, at least not in important football with lots of money riding on it.

Sometimes shit happens - it's always been like that. Sometimes the wrong team wins. That's football - that's why it's great: because it's not a matter of life or death, because it's not a religion. It's only a game, and that's exactly the way it should be.

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Nathan HelenaHandcart
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A World class player should easily score a penalty; that they don't shows that factors other than pure ability are at work. Just like football. It's not what you can do, it's what you do do.
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Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan
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I agree with the last two posts.
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Reed
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I don't. By that logic. There shouldn't be any officials at all, just let them work it out for themselves. It's just a game.

Besides, like I said, the issue isn't fairness. It's just so anticlimatic. Like a movie that's going along really well and is then spoiled with a sudden, implausbile deus-ex machina twist at the end, roll credits. It's that WTF feeling of emptiness that I'd like to eliminate.

I'm sure there's a sexual metaphor here too, but I'll leave that as an excercise for the reader.

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fritz in a fez
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You just have to get over the feeling tha tpenalty shoot outs are a lottery. They are not they are the ultimate test of nerve and technique.

Sides with that will succeed. Sides without it fail. It also puts pressure on the weakest parts of the team.

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I agree they're not a lottery, but they are like settling the world snooker championship with a game of bar billiards.
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They are part of the game and if the premise is that the game must be settled on a given night then I think they are a good solution.

I liked the suggestion that there could be 3 additional subs brought on at the begining of extra time. i think that would go a long way to settling the issue as fresh forwards may often be facing tiring defenders. Of course Italy would probably bring on new defenders.

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Exploding Vole, The
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I don't think anyone can argue that penalties are a lottery, or that they don't involve a test of nerve and skill. I think the argument is whether a separate competition, which bears no resemblance to what football actually consists of, should be used to settle a drawn match.
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I would say that for any particular kick, from the keeper's perspective, it is largely a lottery, but since both keeper faces that same problem, over the five kicks a piece, that balances out. It usually comes down to which team has a guy that misses and/or makes it too easy to stop.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. And if there's going to be a non-football contest deciding the outcome, shouldn't we get to see something with some explosions or hot girls or both?

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i like the idea of the 35-yard shootout where the attacker has to run towards the goal and score, maybe with a 10 second time limit or something to add pressure. at least there'd be a bit more scope for skill and variation. penalties are boring.
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Wow. The NASL Shootout getting a Shoutout instead of Shutout. I never thought I'd see the day.

It's pretty good, but the timing thing is weird. There's no time limits in football (other than the never-ever-enforced 6-second rule,) and if you think goalkeeper-moving controversies are bad, wait'll someone shoots at 0:01 on the clock. It's also slightly unnatural, as goalkeepers often can run out of the penalty area in time, but have to stay on the line. They're quite ugly, as the goal ends up a yard big (with the perspective of the goalkeeper right at their feet,) and there's so many shots that end up banging off the keeper's shins. Like 5 or 6 shots in a row. In the end, it feels even faker than penalties.

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By all means, let's replace one gimmick with another.
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Have a real shootout. With guns.
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