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You are over-egging the pudding ever so slightly Linus, there is much more to Italian football than just a corrupt core...
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Looks like a triple amaro for notre pote, Linus, M-M.

You have to remember how he was assuring everyone of France's inherent superiority.

Linus, you should read Cahiers de Football, they are very clearly supporters of the French team, but they also have their eyes open.

Now if they would just get their subscripton system working so that I wouldn't have to rely on finding the odd copy in airports.

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I do read them when in France (where I was though most of this competition), if only for the hilarious fake Domenech blog. I didn't think France would win the WC before the competition, but it did manage a phenomenal run and put itself in a position to win it despite Domenech.

In a game decided by a couple of centimeters (Trezeguet's ball bounces inside the line if struck ever so slightly lower), the negative tactics prevailed. There is indeed more to Italian football than its corrupt core, there are always some noble elements like Maldini or even Gattuso, who plays very physically but with a high degree of sportsmanship. But the story of the game was Materazzi, a player who epitomizes one of the ugliest facet of Italian football...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gyu8W1g2co
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/materazzi/video/326909

Other than that ugly combination of shear violence coupled with cold-blooded cynicism apparent above, there is still a darker element in Italian football which was most probably contained in the verbal assault Materazzi hurled at Zidane.

I'm not a huge fan of England or Germany (fairly neutral towards either), but the last week of competition would have been phenomenal had they advanced to the semis. For all the criticism England gets here, they are on a higher plane in terms of sportsmanship.

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As epitomized by Messrs. Rooney and Frings, no doubt.
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Well, right now you're jumping to conclusions about Materazzi actions during that game, in the same way as the anti-Ronaldo brigade did about Rooney.

Germany has advanced to the semi-finals and they had a phenomenal game against Italy. I've no idea why on God's green Earth you think England would have added anything to the equation of the last four though...Better sportmanship, possibly yeah...

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Better sportsmanship would have been enough for me.
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Well, tough luck...
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Was English sportsmanship that good, really? Paul Robinson looked like he was feigning injury to waste time against, er, Ecuador. He pulled up with cramp, despite not having done anything for about an hour. After five minutes of apparent agony, he got back up and booted a seventy yard goal kick.
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You can dismiss the differences saying it's all shades of grey, or you can point out the difference between dark charcoal and off-white...

Moitie, it's fine, I'd rather be on the losing side and abhor that kind of cynical pourriture than be happy with those who compartmentalize it and relish its successes.

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Ha, I think this Materazzi - Zidane thing is hilarious. Apparently one of the Saudi players called Zidane a terrorist and was stamped on for his trouble.

Materazzi evidently saw that and though, ha, this looks an easy wind up. He could well have said the same insult last night according to reports, so how noddy was Zidane to react to such a throwaway line like that.

Materazzi must have been pissing himself at how simple it was, once he got back up of course. I think Materazzi is to be praised for pulling out a reaction like that, it takes some flair.

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Do you realize how stupid it is to think that the Saudi player actually called Zidane a terrorist? I would expect that kind of idiocy from a 15-yr old kid raised on Fox News, but not from a grown-up often masquerading on this site as a cultured European.
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Moitie's first post was excellent. It's exactly why I both love and despise Italian football. I loved the 82-90-94-98 teams. The minute Titti and Del Piero conspired to keep Baggio off the 02 team, I've despised them ever since.

This year's team was nauseating, especially with the scandal going on. I look forward to the day when I can get behind them again.

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quote:
Do you realize how stupid it is to think that the Saudi player actually called Zidane a terrorist? I would expect that kind of idiocy from a 15-yr old kid raised on Fox News, but not from a grown-up often masquerading on this site as a cultured European.
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Try reading up on some of the news agency reports and take it up with them my friend. Unless of course you were standing next to the players at the time and have something useful to contribute to the contrary.
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quote:
This year's team was nauseating, especially with the scandal going on. I look forward to the day when I can get behind them again.
The scandal had nothing to do with the team whatsoever.
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The Saudi Arabia player, Fuad Amin, didn't call Zidane a terrorist in that 1998 game. He slagged him over his Algerian ancestry.

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