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Rogin the Armchair fan
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I didn't actually - I take it that's in it? I love QI. I'm disappointed no-one (ie Mrs Rogin) did think to get me the book, if one's out.
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Any blacks interred were, naturally, put into effective slavery (although we called it "paid labour").

a lot of black south africans were also interred, not sure why, but the mortality rate in their camps was three or four times higher than in the white camps.

sorry if you got the impression ROT that I was flying off the handle at you. I wasn't, unless you happen to be the one to delete my thread for no real apparent reason.

I appreciate that it might be possible to construe my post in such a way, but to be honest it isn't the obvious way to read the post. You have to work at it, it requires an intention to take offence. It also kind of mostly ignoring what the post was about and its context. It also hinges on reading into my post that I suggested that those who named the Kop were able to look 85 years into the future to see hillsborough yet called the stand that anyway.

The deletion seems all the more bizarre if as paul S suggests people up and down the country actually did look at the terraces, (of which the one at anfield is the most famous) and say "they look like a big pile of dead bodies in a trench."

However I'd like to see some support for paul's story because it strikes me as a tasteless and senseless and implausible way to go around naming stands, unless it started out as an informal nickname that was then adopted as the real name.

The Leppings Lane end is in the same ground as a stand called The Kop. But since we're not in the premiership perhaps you can't be expected to know that.

well that's me told. to be honest, I thought that there was one at hilsborough, but when I read that there was a spion kop at bramall lane, I assumed that I had gotten the two confused as two stands with the same name in the same city is a bit excessive.

I'm sorry my ignorance offended you, but delighted that I gave you the opportunity to exercise the prerogative of a certain type the lower league fan to be snotty and snide, a task you carried out with great aplomb. we big red club fans only exist to repeatedly confirm the obvious superiority of fans of small blue and white sleeping giants.

of course it's almost as if sheffield wednesday never voted to set up the premiership, or were never a major club for a number of years. I wonder how you felt back then.

[ 01.01.2007, 21:45: Message edited by: and I am the life ]

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I'd imagine it also has something to do with the notion of Spion Kop being a formidable obstacle to victory for the visiting team / army, rather than simply because the hill was covered in bodies, no?

[ 01.01.2007, 22:08: Message edited by: Atteveld ]

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There was a Spion Kop at the old Northampton ground as well.

As you were.

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I didn't actually - I take it that's in it? I love QI. I'm disappointed no-one (ie Mrs Rogin) did think to get me the book, if one's out.

It is. I'll take another look once I go to bed, and see if there are anything to add on your information. Although might be a different thread. Oh, and the book features a decent amount of information that's already appeared on the programme, but still a fantastic hive of information.

aiatl - apology accepted. Although this:

It also hinges on reading into my post that I suggested that those who named the Kop were able to look 85 years into the future to see hillsborough yet called the stand that anyway.

makes no sense. What you need to do is take your final sentence away from the original context of the thread, and link it directly to the picture. Difficult for the original poster to do, and as you say, requires a degree of ignorance from the reader to do such a thing. Thing is, such people exist, and admins need to consider the ignorant when letting such things on a public forum.

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Pantani was right in the second post on this thread. The Kop at Anfield was so-named in honour of the Liverpool dead from the Battle of Spion Kop. At first it was an unofficial title bestowed by a local journo, I think.

With regiments raised from localities casualties tended to be focussed and there were a number of Lancashire regiments involved, including the 1st York andf Lancashire Regiment so I'd guess of the 240 killed quite a few would have been from those areas.

It certainly wasn't unique as Woolwich Arsenal had a Kop first.

The Spion Kop defeat nearly brought down the Government of the day.

I am not sure why anyone would be surprised at the English revelling in defeat - Dunkirk springs to mind as well as numerous World Cups and the current Ashes series. Of course the Aussies are the same with with Gallipoli.

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Blackpool's Bloomfield Road also had a Spion Kop until the ground was rebuilt recently.
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The Leppings Lane end is in the same ground as a stand called The Kop.
Indeed, part of the reason that the (more numerous) Liverpool fans were allocated the (smaller) Leppings Lane end that day was so that they wouldn't get an undue psychological boost from being on the Kop.
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The Hillsborough Kop was the biggest (in terms of capacity) Kop in the Country I think.

Cambridge United have a Corona Kop end.

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I am not sure why anyone would be surprised at the English revelling in defeat - Dunkirk springs to mind as well as numerous World Cups and the current Ashes series. Of course the Aussies are the same with with Gallipoli.

does every afl ground have a stand called suvla bay?

oddly enough, the english didn't really lose the battle as such. after some unpleasant fighting (the lancashire regiment wanted to surrender) the boer's retreated, abandoning the hill to the english, but for some reason the english just left , leaving the hill to the boers.

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Uncle Ethan
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Are you sure that's not a Corona Pop end?

Not sure about the old VFL grounds, but there was a move to name Subiaco Oval ANZAC Stadium and there are many other links with sport. Australian national teams heading to Europe invariably stop off at Gallipoli, there are specific games scheduled for Anzac Day and there are things like the Sands of Gallipoli Anzac meda and The Len Hall game - named after a Gallipoli veteran.

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but a lot of anzac's died in gallipoli. That's fair enough.

Spion kop wasn't even the biggest battle of the boer war. only 383 english soldiers died. 1000 were injured and 300 captured as a force of 11,000 english soldiers and 2200 cavalry men were kind of beaten by 6,000 boers.

546 englishmen died at the battle of talana hill where they actually won (kind of) against superior odds.

nearly 1000 highlanders were killed or wounded at magersfontein, and a week later a force of 21,000 english soldiers were defeated by 4,500 boers at colenso.

just reading about the battles on wikipedia, it would seem that the english made an awful mess of the boer war didn't they?

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True enough about the numbers, but it was major jolt for the Empire and the impact at the time was huge. And yes, they did.
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