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Otto Katz
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What I wouldn't give to have Jenas and Woodgate back. They're *exactly* the players we're missing. A world class centre-half and a creative midfielder who is technically brilliant and has the footballing brain to match.
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Oh and it's good to see that Spurs crew on here finally admitting that I was right all along about Jenas. Told you he was class.
Not sure whether that includes me but I have always felt Jenas had the potential to be top class as soon as someone got him to focus on winning the ball, giving it, getting forward & cutting out some of his mistakes. He had it in his head he could dictate play from deep or even be a holding midfielder. I think Poyet has certainly had an influence.

On the respective managers on Sunday, I read a quote from Grant saying he felt he had to prove himself everytime was in charge for a game (or something along those lines). Chelsea should get rid of him asap because that no manager at the top level should be making statements like that. Mourinho certainly wouldn't.

Ramos clearly has the air of someone who has nothing to prove, at least in cup competitions. He is already the most important person at Spurs, like Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes and O'Neill, but unlike Grant and arguably Benitez where it seems to me that certain players are 'bigger' than the man in charge.

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Some of the praise Jenas is getting here reminds me of that excellent old saying, "If you get a reputation for getting up early, you can stay in bed all day." Yes, he was very good on Sunday but he's been astoundingly mediocre for the vast majority of the last four years.
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The point being that now he *isn't* mediocre: as with Keane (as MX said earlier), his workrate has improved 100% in the past year or so. Under proper leadership, Jenas can become the world-class player his potential suggested several years ago.
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If you're saying Jenas has been playing great for the past year, that's blatantly not true.
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If we are trying to pinpoint when Jenas went from deeply average footballer to the midfielder we've seen recently, it would be since the game at Upton Park last November.

He's clearly a far better player since Ramos arrived, just as he was clearly unfocused and wayward in his approach to midfield play for a number of years preceeding Ramos' arrival.

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If you're saying Jenas has been playing great for the past year, that's blatantly not true.
I'm stating (pretty clearly, I think) that his workrate has increased in the past year. With Ramos's guidance, his improvement will, one hopes, see him graduate to greatness. (As to pinpointing the specific game where it all came good for Jenas, well, that's harder to quantify. Nor do I think it serves much purpose...)
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Now then, if the likes of King, Woodgate and Bale stay injury free next season and they manage to hold on to Berbatov, what do we reckon Spurs are lacking to be able to mount a serious title challenge? A proper goalie, a decent left-winger in the Martin Petrov mould and a better holding midfielder than Zokora perhaps (or is Tom Huddlestone developing into that type of player)?
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Big 'ifs' to be honest, however lets dream a little...

1. A new goalkeeper, sorry Robbo but I think some of your mistakes have been too basic for my liking.

2. I'd like to see Bale LM so we need a left back, which means Chimbonda will be off cos he won't play second fiddle. If Bale plays LB then some pacy left footer at LM needed.

3. Some busy and disciplined bloke in midfield like Poulsen from Sevilla. Zokora not disciplined enough and has no goalscoring ability.

4. We need a fourth striker as three won't be enough. I'd like to see Bent come good but current evidence suggests he doesn't fit so can see him going. We'll lack some genuine pace up front if Bent goes - so two strikers.

I can't get my head to believe Spurs will ever seriously challenge for the title.

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You will, Paxton. Have faith. Next season will be a glorious one for Spurs, to be sure.
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Otto's auto, earlier this morning.
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This season is probably about as glorious as it gets.
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on Jenas i think most have us have been frustrated with him because he clearly has the talent to be a very good player. The problem is that until recently he tended to lack the mentality to impose himself on big games.

Often he would shine for half an hour and then players like Fabregas would get the better of midfield and he'd hide.

What he need to do is to consistenly take hold of games when Spurs are struggling and show he's the player who can drag them back into games.

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