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Battylad
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Anyone know if the rumours about Southampton on the brink too have any substance?
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I can't really speak for 'wednesday fans', but I think houdi's proportion's are about right. Bates came on the scene when we were in our second lowest ever league position, and given that Allen had doubled the debt at that point, many people felt Bates was a risk worth taking.

My antipathy to the Trust is based on what happened to WISA around the time of Bates's interest. I was a WISA member, knew a lot of the people involved, and felt very comfortable with their aims and objectives. They also had a decent relationship with the club, with regular fan forums, anti-racism forums (fora?) and all the stuff that is in the fans charter. They had no illusions about Allen being a good or nice man, but understood the limitations of what they could do at that point in time, and the possible alternatives if he fucked off: concentration of the shares, an autocrat taking charge, and much less influence for the fans.

Allen only ever had 10% of the shares, he always had to act with other directors and at least in the beginning tried to act so as to secure as wide a base of support as possible. This was, in principle, not that bad a situation in comparison to many other clubs at the time, in terms of checks and balances.

A few months after Bates came on the scene (I think it was the summer of 2004), there was a WISA AGM, at which Neil Hargreaves and many of his friends turned up and joined. Naturally, they had full voting rights. WISA had several hundred members, but only 30 or so were at the meeting. Hargreaves and co proposed and voted for two motions: one of no confidence in the SWFC board, and one supporting Bates (I think). The no confidence one carried but the Bates one failed.

This pretty much killed WISA - they couldn't really carry on doing their work with the club on community issues if they were representatives of an organisation that was officially hostile to the board.

I think the Bates supporters were much more vocal than anyone else, but not really all that numerous. The letters pages of the Green Un would probably support that.

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I should add that at the time of the Bates approach, Dave Allen was hugely unpopular amongst the Wednesday support and I would have expected a far stronger "Allen out" movement had Bates not appeared on the scene. As it was, a lot of fans (me included) took the attitude that Allen may be bad, but Bates would be a whole lot worse. The 'resistance' angle may be overplayed, but it isn't entirely inaccurate either.
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Absolutely. The 'Allen Out' movement such as it was, was led by Darryl Keys. His position on Bates was 'I don't support him, I support his right to look at the books and make his proposal'. That lacked all credibility in most people's eyes, and there were strong suspicions about his connections with Bates.

So the 'anti Bates' people (like me) were much more annoyed with the 'anti Allen' crowd than with Bates himself: that was a battle between two cunts and enthusiastically taking sides would have been silly. Sensible people gave tacit support to Allen for resisting Bates, nothing more.

'death to the popular people's front of judea', etc etc etc

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Looks like we're asking for a second 10 day extension. Taking Easter into account, that should take us into April.
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It was turned down, but we were granted a 24 hour extension. Which should allow time for the mythical "mystery investor" to reveal themselves. Or not. So, minus ten points at five o'clock today it will be...
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Nathan HelenaHandcart
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The League's policy is bloody rubbish in that it simply doesn't add any incentive. By the time you go into administration, it doesn't (and nor should it) stop you, but the decisions that get taken which lead to administration get taken years earlier often by different people and those decisions are simply not being affected at all by it. And the league know it.

My suggestion is that they deducted a point for every month they don't pay their tax. That'll stop em.

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Fucking bollocks. Another fucking season wasted.
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Sorry GO.
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Those cunts from Cheaterfield have taken our play-off spot.
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Yeah, sorry GO, Dangermouse et al. Must be gutting for it to happen again.
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Ahh, that must be gutting. Commiserations GO...
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Last time I was angry/determined etc. Just resigned to it all now I think. Maybe the zeal will return.

Not looking forward to working out what else to do with my Saturday afternoons..

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Fucking hell, GO. What a pisser.

We really do need to look at a rule similar to Germany's about club spending. NHH's tax cheat crackdown suggestion is good too.

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Much sympathy and empathy here, GO.
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