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statto99
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Apologies, Toro, for my earlier oversight. I hope you're pleased that I'm beginning to make up for it.
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Let alone his previous one
Toro, are you suggesting that the FIRST yellow was harsh?
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Well, now there's the tentative beginnings of a case.

Two comparable examples in eight years isn't exactly a slam-dunk, though.

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The main reason there aren't too many matches featuring "three or four yellow cards for dissent" is because most footballers have enough brain cells to stop engaging in it after the referee cautions the second player for it.
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ursus - If it was for the foul, no, but I didn't think it was. If it was for the comments - as he retreated, rather than aggressively, and in his second language - then you could make that case. Taken on its own merits, I wouldn't do so, but in the context of the other cards, you could say that it forms part of a general pattern of overzealousness.

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Perhaps, HB. but at least now we're having the argument on the basis of my actual claims, rather than "because you support Liverpool and they were shit so ner".
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If it was for the comments - as he retreated, rather than aggressively, and in his second language - then you could make that case. [that it was harsh]
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10 minutes: Javier Mascherano lunges in on Paul Scholes and catches the Man United midfielder with a late tackle. Referee Steve Bennett shows the Argentine a yellow card but the player is not happy, and can clearly be seen screaming "f*** off, f*** off" at the official.

11 minutes: Over a minute has passed and Mascherano can still be seen abusing the referee over the yellow card decision, continuously swearing at Bennett. By this time the referee is getting a little tired of the foul-mouthed tirade and responds by putting his fingers to his lips, telling the player to keep quiet.


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Well, I queried "screaming" when that was first posted. It suggests a level of aggression and belligerence not entirely consistent with a player who was running back, having accepted that there was a foul.

What happened over a mintue after the card can't really be held up as a justification for the card.

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Toro! Here's another for you! This one goes way, waaaay back... to twelve days ago:

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Bookings: Middlesbrough - Shawky (foul), Schwarzer (dissent), Mido (dissent), L Young (dissent).
Villa 1 Middlesbrough 1, March 13th 2008

Referee? Steve Bennett!

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Doesn't really help rebutt my claim that he's a loose cannon out of step with everyone else then, does it?
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But to sustain the case that Bennett's refereeing was proportionate, they would have to show examples of three or four cards for dissent being issued in a single game.

Well statto's already done that, but in any case you can't just baldly assert that as if it's clearly true. If all three cards were justified then whether it's precedented or not is utterly, completely irrelevant.

And Ferdinand's booking was for kicking the ball away, which is an automatic yellow card offence - there's no room for the referee's discretion there at all, so to lump that in with the others is bit sneaky. It's only really two bookings here that are relevant. And we have no idea what Torres may have said to earn his booking and thus can't really discuss it without that knowledge. And Mascherano was a repeat offender, which means a yellow card is always likely.

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How many examples of several bookings for dissent do we need to find? It's a ridiclous exercise, albeit one you seem to be demanding. The only way to decide if Bennet was disproportionate in his actions is to look at the actions themselves and see if his decisions stand up.

As HB said:

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The main reason there aren't too many matches featuring "three or four yellow cards for dissent" is because most footballers have enough brain cells to stop engaging in it after the referee cautions the second player for it.

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Statto's given three examples from the last eight years. How many games were played in that time? And one of those outliers was... Steve Bennett.

Somebody's (finally) going about rebutting the claims I've actually made, but it'll take rather a few more examples than that before it stops looking like Bennett is Crazy Horse.

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Statto's given three examples from the last eight years. How many games were played in that time?

Do you really think that's because there are only three examples in eight years, though? Or perhaps they're just the ones that came up in a quick Google search? I'd bet there are scores more examples for someone with the time to find them. You may bet there are exactly three and no more. And the point is, it's irrelevant anyway - the only way to ascertain whether Bennet's decisions were disproportionate is to look at Bennet's decisions. It's quite simple.

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So no matter how Liverpool's players behaved or whatever they said two cards for dissent is crazy?

You probably don't mean that.

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