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Spearmint Rhino
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...or an excuse to mention the fact that Barry Town, after several years of freefall, ground exile and near-collapse, are finally turning the corner and beginning the climb back to the top.

We're currently clear at the top of MacWhirters Welsh League Div 2, which is effectively the third rung of the Welsh pyramid, with nine games to go. Not quite nailed on for promotion yet, but as long as we don't put our feet up and have a cigar for such tricky fixtures as home to UWIC and away to Llanwern and the romantically-named Garden Village, we should do it.

Meaning that next season we'll be mixing it with giants like Cwmbran Town, Newport YMCA, Caerleon, Bridgend Town and Taffs Well. (How long before we're once again doing battle with the likes of Porto, Dinamo Kiev, Aberdeen and Zalgiris Vilnius?)

I do worry about whether the club's ambitions match its handful of supporters' dreams for it. The official website is still an "under construction" skeleton, and a few weeks ago I attempted to add the club's Myspace (a whopping 65 friends at present) and still haven't been accepted...

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I bumped into some eastleigh fans at membury services last night who were running around topless after beating the mighty newport FC away.

nothing to do with your thread SR, just thought i would throw it in

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Aldo Simoncini's Clean Sheet
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I really hope Barry will be back in the WPL in the not too distant future. It's still a bit odd not having Barry in the league, not to mention a great stadium, which is UEFA Compliant.

I might hijack your thread Spearmint, to point out the FAW proposals for a 10 team Premier League, in case you haven't seen it.

http://www.welsh-premier.com/news.php?ID=6508

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Spearmint Rhino
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Christ. Looks like we've got our very own Scudamore. Surely the whole reason that the Scots moved away from teams playing each other four times a season was that supporters found it fucking boring? But this guy thinks he knows better.
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quote:
"The league has reached a plateau and we need radical rebranding to hopefully improve the quality of the product."
Fucking hell. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth, Mr Deakin?

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Deakin said clubs would also have to meet the stricter domestic licensing criteria on issues such as facilities, administration and even crowd size to get into the top division.
CROWD SIZE? What the fuck?

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"We want crowds of five or 600 to be the norm, not a rarity."
Yeah, well I want a space rocket made out of gold. So?
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Well, it's obvious some teams have no business in the league, seeing they can hardly muster over 100 for Home games. Surely that makes sense?
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Surely the whole reason that the Scots moved away from teams playing each other four times a season was that supporters found it fucking boring?

The vast majority of Scottish clubs still play all their opponents four times a season. The sole exception is in the SPL, where they play five of their opponents four times and the others three times.

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Well, it's obvious some teams have no business in the league, seeing they can hardly muster over 100 for Home games. Surely that makes sense?
Not sure if you're pulling my leg there, Aldo, but I just think that the teams that gain the most points ought to be placed higher than teams that win fewer points, and anything else is perverted.
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It's my personal hope that it works itself out on it's own, and the bigger clubs end up in the top league. But Northern Ireland and the Republic brought in similar licensing systems.

The top 10 in the current WPL would work out ok to be honest.

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Not sure if you're pulling my leg there, Aldo, but I just think that the teams that gain the most points ought to be placed higher than teams that win fewer points, and anything else is perverted.
Spot on - it's called a football league not a crowd size league. However it can't be too long before Cefn Druids and Airbus Broughton - both of whom have had more than one two-figure crowd this season - are relegated.

I quite like the idea of a two tier Welsh Prem, but would like to see 12, maybe 14 clubs in each division. However, I doubt there are enough clubs who want to be involved - take the Welsh League (South) - of the top 8 teams, only one of them wants to be promoted.

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I think it would be more cost effective for the tier 2 league/s (if it comes to fruition) to be 2 regional ones. Otherwise, the travelling costs will be as large as they are now, without the bigger crowds that games against TNS, Llanelli etc usually provide.

The whole system needs a revamp really, at present, The Cymru Alliance has no relation to the WPL, likewise in South Wales.

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I quite like the idea of a two tier Welsh Prem, but would like to see 12, maybe 14 clubs in each division.
How many times a season would they play each other then? 3?
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No, twice - the league cup could be played on a Saturday too to fill up the schedules
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That's another idea, although I would prefer to see the league cup start in early July to help the Euro Qualifiers.
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Without the recusants (is that the right word), the Welsh league is only ever going to be able to shuffle the deckchairs. In those circumstances, I'd say that going for a US style conference system with 2 (north and south) conferences, and then home and away play-offs at the end of the season is the best way to go.

Wales' geography militates against a national league - as far as I know football is the only sport that tries it, and that system would minimise travel, maximise derby matches but yet still find a best team within the Welsh system.

SR and Jorge are both entirely right that as long as teams keep winning matches, even if the only person watching is the manager's mum, then they should be able to stay in the top division.

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