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Fitter Happier
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It's known that the tragci death of a rock star helps pile onto their myth (Ian Curtis, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison etc...) and watching the Jubille concert (or flicking over out of a slightly perverted interest to be more accurate) and seeing Paul McCartney strutting around and pleasing all the Daily Mail reading twerps in the crowd by giving the most bland delivery of Sgt.Pepper got me thinking about how John Lennon would be perceived by the public were he still alive today.

Would he, like McCartney, do anything for money and make a mockery of the ideology he'd laid down as a younger star?

My personal guess is that he'd have gone a bit Captain Beefheart-ish- retiring away with Yoko somewhere and getting on with expressing himself in different ways away from the hype.

Still, I just wonder how the public would perceive Lennon- who receives almost universal praise- were he still alive.

Any thoughts?

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Diggedy Derek
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He'd been in semi-retirement for a few years before his death, really, hadn't he? Releasing the odd album but otherwise just chilling out.

I actually quite like Woman, Imagine etc. - the Double Fantasy stuff which gets slagged off quite a lot. But they're only pop tunes, he was never going to do anything interesting again really.

More pertinently, by that stage he wasn't the cool, enlightened sort that his legacy suggests. He was arrogant, bitter, and dismissive of most music.

But who would have done better, you know? Most rock stars are in terminal decline at that stage, and that's the way it should be.

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Watching The Wheels on Double Fantasy is sublime.

Lennon wasn't dismissive of new music. In one of his last interviews he said he rather liked Lene Lovich, who at the time was considered some sort of significant post-punk phenomenon, ans said he took an interest in what we today call World Music. He didn't seem so much arrogant as securely wrapped up in his own Dakota world.

He had retired for for five years, after making Walls & Bridges in 1975. Before W&B his output was fairly prolific. But I guess he would have retired again after a while -- probably once the critics felt free to slam the ghastly noise produced by the insufferable Yoko Ono. He would have appeared on one track of Julian Lennon's debut LP, and produced Sean's precocious debut at nine and three quarters years of age.

He probably would have left the US under Reagan to live in the south of France, returning when Clinton took office, and playing at his inaguration bash. He might well have teamed up with Bono on the debt relief thing (instead of giving his own fortune to the cause). And every two and a half years, he would have appeared on Parkinson's show, alongside George Best* and Billy Connolly.

* definitely not Pete...

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Wyatt Earp
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I think he "jumped the shark" with, approximately, Tomorrow Never Knows. The track is, itself, bit of a classic. "A seminal work of English psychedelic rock," you might say, if you were someone who said that sort of thing. But it made him think he was profound, and ushered in Sgt Pepper and its grotesques of self-indulgence. After that it was downhill all the way, through embarrassing crap like the White Album, on downwards through the split, via the dreary Imagine to the horrors of Double Fantasy, on which the great man was reduced to plundering Procol Harum for his tunes.

Discuss.

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Les Mauvais Joueurs De N5 1BU
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I thought this was a misplaced post about the on-pitch displays of an NI footballer...
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Oolon Colluphid LLB
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Lennon would have probably ended up playing the Queen's jubilee with all the other aging rockers. Lennon was a great songwriter, but the whole myth that surrounds him just irritates me. He was the sort of person who would change his political views to suit himself. Let us not forget that he voted Conservative throughout most of the 60's because he didn't want to pay too much tax. I agree with Wyatt Earp to some degree. Lennon's greatest moments were on the Beatles albums up to and including Rubber Soul.
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It's quintessentially "off the wall", but I really like the Unfinished Music No. 1. Two Virgins album he did in collaboration with Ono, which came out the same year as the Beatles' white album. Freaks me out to think of this genial, half-jaded, narcoleptic 60s pop icon and his maligned and enigmatic spouse spawning the idea of dirty, malevolent ambient music more than 30 years before FSOL, Meat Beat Manifesto et al.
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Duncan Gardner
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Wyatt has a point- Lennon's best Beatle tunes were before Sergeant Pepper (I can't listen to Tomorrow never knows, it's like a song Radiohead rejected).

JS Bach might have something to say about the plundering of Procol Harum melodies!

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I would tend to agree with Clayhanger on this one. The obvious tragedy of Lennon's death will always be offset by the fact that his 'radical' image will remain untarnished by age. Whilst like FHW I disliked McCartney's performance intensely the other night I do concede that he never really bought into any anti-establishment rhetoric on a grand scale and I guess royal garden parties are an inevitable result of his ageing process. I mean, what has he got to be bolshy about?

And regardless of any Beatles debate what McCartney gave to the world was his magical first solo album. Great songs of a great writer and singer completely at ease with himself. Timeless. For this album alone I can forgive him anything.

[ 07-06-2002, 19:18: Message edited by: Dame Sybill Thorndike ]

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For a soing so despised, Tomorrow Never Knows is getting awful lot of namechecks on OTF these days. In the spirit thereof, a little trivia question: Which OTFer was born on the day Tomorrow Never Knows was recorded. He has mentioned that fact once or twice before.
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It's either Fitter Happier or Fartle, isn't it? But which one?
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Agree with the majority view on Lennon's fall from grace. Coincidentally this occurred around the same time he was (a) being told he was a genius and (b) starting to take hallucinogenic drugs. These two combined, I feel, contributed greatly to his decline. You can almost imagine him out of his gourd writing down the lyrics to I am the Walrus thinking, "Yeah, man, this is the best shit I've ever written", and then waking up next day, reading them and saying to himself "Oh, shit, this is crap. Still never mind eh, we can do the song anyway and people will think it's great whatever."
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Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan
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Hang on... G-Man and Fartle aren't the same person?
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my opinion is one, lennon never jumped the shark. in fact if anyone does a favourite song of all time thread my favourite song ever is a lennon song that was very late in his career, nobody loves you when youre down and out. secondly although his veil slipped he was a socialist, who was anti monarchy. and although he was mates with elton et al, he would not stoop so low as to play the palace, storm it yes but play it no. mccartney is nothing more than a twatting court jester playing for the german bints edification.
finally and this is only speculation, but I think he would have probably curated meltdown, collaberated with sonic youth and been politically active along the same lines as bongo out of u2.
but of course he isnt alive, and he never went shit, he wrote songs that were great, its what the public did with them that made them shit.

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Wyatt Earp
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I disagree with all of that, except I agree that "Bongo" is a much better name for Dublin's sunglass-wearing egotist.
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