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Mat Pereira
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No, I think he's just making the point that pop culture's now very much middle-aged culturally.

That's only a problem, I think if you're a teenager. It used to piss me off endlessly when I was 18 to hear that whatver new band were the New Byrds, or New thing that happened 20 years ago, and before you were born, and you missed it, so tough shit.

It doesn't bother me at all now though. Pop and its idea of a cultural year zero, though a beautiful idea in abstract, has had terrible, terrible social consequences.

Look at the people who originated it and what they became very, very quickly: bourgeois shits to a man.

[/mad soapbox rant]

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No I know where you're coming from Matt. Pop music has, in lots of ways, become culturally appropriated by older generations now and I sometimes wonder whether those generations - well, our generations, in part - aren't inadvertently choking its youth and vitality. Look at the popularity of 80s club nights, and look at the fact that a large proportion of the people who go to them are in their 30s and beyond (guilty as charged). It seems perhaps like the weight of pop's now considerable history, and the ever-growing Nostalgia Industry (which will always be weighted towards those with the most disposable income), is becoming a considerable burden.

I don't quite know where I'm going with this - and I'm certainly not saying that we should all just get our pipe and slippers out and stop going out altogether - but there's something about the fetishisation and prolongation of youth by much older generations that might actully not be doing many favours for existing youth, and pop culture, themselves.

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The thing with regard to "existing youth" and "pop culture" is that most of the acts coming through (or being pushed through) now appear to be prefitted with this bloody history, like a textbook they're obliged to memorise at school. On a British level at least there doesn't seem to be any artist or group who just comes out of nowhere; perhaps it's just not allowed these days. What price an AR Kane in 2007?
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ps: what I mean by "out of nowhere" is "unknowing"; the concept of the autodidacts who just stumble upon something new, which was probably fake even in the days of the Incredible String Band but romantically it's still nice to believe.
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AR Kane were rubbish.
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For a man who has written about music for the last twenty years, he is bloody gullible, isn't he?

PRBloke1: Here you are Paul - this is the best band you have ever heard. (hands CD)

PM: Really? Best band ever. I hope it doesn't turn out that one has raised my hopes of the artist you are promoting. Whereas it may be that you are using this as a method to get me to listen to it, and probably extract 5 stars from OMM where we label at least four albums a month with a perfect mark, one may well find I have damaged morale that they are not actually, in reality, the best band ever.

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Mat Pereira
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Tom, this is the thing, that process was well under-way, by the time you and me became teenagers.

The first pop thing I recall as an actual teenager, rather than a child, was the nostalgia-fest that surrounded the 10th Anniversary of Punk, and then the 20th Anniversary of 'Seargent Pepper', and then the nsotalgia-fest that surrounded the 20th Anniversary of 1968.

I mean if people fell in love with pop in the 60's, they're not going to stop liking it, and it's not going to stop meaning something to them once they hit their 50's or their 60's. There's no problem with that is there? At it's heart pop is just music turned into a beautiful product, which was a revolutionary idea in 1965, and like all revolutionary ideas led to people feeling the times belonged to them, and everything was possible.

The music just soundtracked the revolution though, and was the soundtrack to a generation gap, it didn't cause it or anything.

I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that the Myth of Pop is becoming an inhibitor of social progress, that's it's become a force of social control and cultural entropy.

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As Danny Baker aptly put it: "Something terrible always happens to music when you get to twenty-six."

The problem is that people who fell in love with pop in the '60s never stop liking the pop they fell in love with in the '60s but they're rarely keen on any pop after the '60s.

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You might be right Matt, though I'm not sure pop's got much influence on social progress either way. Certainly, the idea of "dangerous, out there rock'n'roll behaviour" as being seriously subversive in a wider sense now seems like risible nonsense. Look at the way the Brits are coveraged - the stories angled at the post-ceremony high jinks and "bad behaviour" seem as sanitised and corporate and hackneyed as anything. Getting coked up and twatting/groping inappropriate people doesn't seem remotely "dangerous" now, which is cool because it never was.

Some of the difference is that because fewer people in a lot of key Pop Demographic Niches are marrying and having kids young, you've got this whole swathe of adults still able to immerse themselves in the pop marketplace, and you could say that this is a consequence of social progress, though that's up for debate.

But in the wider sense no, pop music isn't ever gonna change the world. The search for "social progress" is to be found elsewhere, in much more ostensibly mundane areas of life.

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quote:
the need for one's prose to look good (noncommital, lukewarm, shoulder-shrugging responses rarely result in incandescent writing)
I think that's an important point wingco, especially in the context of reviews that are often little over 100 words in most of the big mags. Trying to sum up a whole album in a coherent, well-written way, and cram a joke into that space, as well can very easily lead to either being too harsh or being too excitable, and I think human nature would lead people to choose the latter more often.
I've tried to be harsher recently, and ended up getting a gobful off the PR guy of a certain band because I gave their album a 5 (by which I meant 'dead-on average, nice enough, I'll never listen to it again'). "We usually get eights or nines off everyone else" he said. Said band could only produce an eight or nine album by forcing TV On The Radio to write on for them at gunpoint.

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Name and shame!
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Now, I don't want to get into a "what are you on about, I love them" type argument, but Goldrush.
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My name is Mumpo
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I sometimes wonder whether those generations - well, our generations, in part - aren't inadvertently choking its youth and vitality
i think the kids are doing a pretty good job of making their own entertainment, regardless of the participation of over-30's. i have, of course, very little evidence to support this theory, which paradoxically proves it.
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Ha, there's no problem about that, mack, I stopped caring about such things years ago. It's just that wankish PR/marketing behaviour should be pointed out at all times.
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That's so bizarre. Why are you supposed to care what they "usually" get?

It'd be like someone demanding that you chat them up and insisting "people usually fancy me".

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