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Spearmint Rhino
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quote:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, I think.
Meh. OK.

But if you're gonna keep equating Working Class with Chav, you can't expect me to let it lie.

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I do get what you're saying, SR, and Burchill can speak for herself, I'm sure, but I'm not making that equation. I'm saying people use a section that's an easy target to vent a distasteful class-based disgust.
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I'm saying people use a section that's an easy target to vent a distasteful class-based disgust.
Well, there's no way you can know that. You're projecting. There's nothing else in the immediate lyrical context to back it up. All you've got in the way of evidence is the tone of Damon's voice, which is somewhat flimsy.
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I mean, apart from obscuritites or neo-nazi music etc, most right-wing songs would work by specific examples rather than explicitly condemning whole classes/races/genders surely? If you can find a song entitled 'Fuck Me, The Working Class Are Stupid, Aren't They?' I'll be very impressed.
Well, that's sort of almost the whole idea of the thread. But a song that's openly anti-union, like that Kinks one, or openly advocating economic inequality, like Trees by Rush, is the sort of thing Taylor's after, I think.

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What I am saying i that the tone and the ways in which he attacks a certain section of working-class youth seems to me to suggest ideas that stretch further.
Right. Well, I think this is pretty much the definition of "a stretch". What's Taylor gonna do, include a sleeve note saying "I know it sounds like he's mocking a very specific part of the working class rather than the working class as a whole, but I don't like his tone"?
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Listen, we clearly interpret the song differently, fair enough. I can't see it your way, you're not going to see it mine, but I don't think it was an entirely unreasonable suggestion.
Next?

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Ibex Trounce
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Anyway, back to topic: have we had "Part Of The Union" yet?
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Yes.
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Red Is A Mean, Mean Colour - Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel
Red London - Sham 69

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Re: the Albarn thing, I think there's a lot of general loathing of the masses in his songs, but I'm not persuaded it's class-based in particular; I think he's just a bit of a misanthrope. So right wing per se, I can't quite see. I think that credits him with far more political sophistication than he actually possesses.

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Damon Albarn, so right wing he asked Ken Livingstone to do a turn on The Great Escape.

"Lookin' After Number One" by the Boomtown Rats. People seem to forget that Geldof was bigging up Thatcher as ardently as Weller in the '77 music press.

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Oi, I was only talking about the one song. Single songs were allowed. Anyway, carry on.
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I think Albarn generally displays a good deal of affection for the masses - his songs about the suburbs tend to have a wistful, romantic, sympathetic air. They're arguably patronising and dilettantish, of course.
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Another American (well, American-Danish) one, I'm afraid, but how about this by Metallica?

quote:

Don't Tread On Me

so donīt tread on me

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
once you provoke her, rattling of her tail
never begins it, never, but once engaged...
never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage

so don't tread on me

so be it
threaten no more
to secure peace is to prepare for war
so be it
settle the score
touch me again for the words that you'll hear evermore...

don't tread on me

love it or leave it, she with the deadly bite
quick is the blue tongue, forked as lighting strike
shining with brightness, always on surveillance
the eyes, they never close, emblem of vigilance

oh no no no

so don't tread on me

so be it
threaten no more
to secure peace is to prepare for war
so be it
settle the score
touch me again for the words that you'll hear evermore...

don't tread on me

so be it
threaten no more
to secure peace is to prepare for war

liberty or death, what we so proudly hail
once you provoke her, rattling on her tail

so be it
threaten no more
to secure peace is to prepare for war
so be it
settle the score
touch me again for the words that you'll hear evermore...

don't tread on me!



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Ibex Trounce
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Yes, well, Metallica.

Does Jim Davidson's side-splitting version of "White Christmas" count?

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Oh, Taylor's already mentioned 'Get Back In Line' by The Kinks, I see.

I do actually love that song, even though I hate the sentiments behind it. Oddly, prescient of the kind of thing me, Robin and John have been talking about on another thread.

The moment on the 'Lola' album that did make me feel a bit uneasy, is the end of 'Top of the Pops' represents the voice of the music business by putting on a ridiculously mannered Jewish accent and says [something like] 'and now you're going to have to make some real money'.

A real 'what-the-fuck' moment hearing that was, actually.

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