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fritz in a fez
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Good news for the unbaptised who have not had the orginal sin purged from them.

The RCC has decided that Limbo is an outdated concept and that babes in arms who die will not go to the eternal reception class in the sky.

That just leaves heaven, hell and purgatory to go.

[ 30.11.2005, 19:11: Message edited by: fritzinafez ]

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Guy Potger
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They'll be letting women join next.
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Only just heard about this and surprised that it has't generated more discussion.

I mean, obviously, it's of no more actual importance than if George Lucas were to issue a press release claifying exactly what shade of green Luke Skywalker's light sabre was, but I'd expect Star Wars enthusiasts to be babbling away about that.

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I do love these periodic updates to the immutable laws of God.

Limbo may well be outdated, but I think the RCC have missed a trick just closing it. It's minimalist stylings could make it a real money spinner. Get some decks in, a main bar, a bottle bar stocked with obscure import beers. You could probably use some of the space for retail. Imagine how great a big pile of Benneton jumpers would look in the middle of all that white.

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Super Sharp Shooter
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That just leaves heaven, hell and purgatory to go.
Now that would be a news story.

VATICAN CONFIRMS: IT'S ALL COBBLERS

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Guy Potger
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quote:

Limbo may well be outdated, but I think the RCC have missed a trick just closing it. It's minimalist stylings could make it a real money spinner. Get some decks in, a main bar, a bottle bar stocked with obscure import beers

You could host it here...


(Much Schadenfreude in Sheffield over this one.)

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The Batebe of Toro Foundation
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John Allen;

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Catholics who grew up before the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) tend to have strong memories of the concept of "limbo," referring to a sort of antechamber in the afterlife for babies who die without baptism, and hence are stained with original sin and can't go to Heaven, but who have not incurred any guilt of their own, and therefore don't belong in Hell either.

Over the centuries, theologians locked horns over how to define limbo. Some, basing themselves on Augustine, said it was essentially a milder form of Hell, while others, including Aquinas, said it was a more positive state of "perfect natural happiness," meaning the full flowering of our natural capacity for fulfillment, though without the added supernatural joy of the Beatific Vision.

Limbo, it should be said, was never defined as a dogma of the Catholic faith, but is instead a concept worked out by theologians as a way to try to solve a conflict between the necessity of baptism and the mercy of God.

In more recent theological reflection, limbo has generally been downplayed in favor of hope that these infants will make it to Heaven in the full sense. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1261, says this:

"As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,' allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism."

This week, the International Theological Commission, the main advisory body to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is meeting at the Domus Sanctae Marthae, the $30 million hotel on Vatican grounds where the cardinals lodged during the conclave, to consider a document on eschatology, meaning the church's doctrine of Heaven, Hell, and final judgment. The document started out as a specific reflection on limbo, but the commission decided that to do justice to the subject, they needed to put it in this broader context.

Broadly speaking, the commission is expected to recommend that the concept of limbo not be revived, and that it be replaced by an emphasis on Christian hope. Following the Swiss theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar, the idea is that we don't know the limits, if any, to God's mercy, and therefore we are entitled to hope (not to assert as a matter of principle, but to hope) that all may be saved, including infants who never received baptism.

Snappy news headlines this week have suggested that the pope is about to "drop" or "cancel" limbo. In fact, the document will not be published for some months, if not longer, and even then it has only the status of a recommendation to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It's not always certain the CDF will take the advice; the International Theological Commission published a document on Christian liberation in 1977, for example, that was friendlier to liberation theology than the CDF's eventual instruction in 1984.

Nevertheless, an old concept is getting a new look this week, which illustrates one form of what Cardinal John Henry Newman called the "development of doctrine."



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Wyatt Earp
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Limbo, it should be said, was never defined as a dogma of the Catholic faith, but is instead a concept worked out by theologians as a way to try to solve a conflict between the necessity of baptism and the mercy of God.
Yeah, I was never really clear on why they avoided SSS's elegant "It's ALL cobblers" solution to that one.
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Does this mean my dead daughter gets to go to Heaven, incidentally? I suppose I should be pleased, but...

When my niece was baptised, her Italian Nonna came up to my sister afterwards in tears of joy, saying "Now she can die!" My sister hit the rof. It was lucky I wasn't there.

Now, I reckon that sort of incredibly offensive, disgraceful, superstitious bollocks has at least as much claim to be the authentic voice of Catholicism as all that toro-style, donnish "I feel that, in a very real sense, modern Christians" evasiveness.

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Sorry, it was of course the ref that she hit.
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Hey, I'm the sucker here. Did I get to stay in a $30 million dollar hotel of the back of that? No, I did not.
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It'd be great if they could get rid of it while Harry Redknapp's still in there.
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Evasive my hole.
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Captain Flume has just made me crack up at my desk.
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Now, I reckon that sort of incredibly offensive, disgraceful, superstitious bollocks has at least as much claim to be the authentic voice of Catholicism as all that toro-style, donnish "I feel that, in a very real sense, modern Christians" evasiveness.
What, people peddling ill-considered nonsense based on half-understood simplification of complex theology have as much claim to be "the authentic voice of Catholicism" as those who actually have an idea?

That is a bit like saying that the racist oaf from Love thy Neighbour has as much claim to be the authentic voice of socialism as Tony Benn.

I would argue that neither Nonna nor TV oaf have any claim to represent Catholicism or socialism, though they may be or may not be representative of some Catholics or socialists.

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