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Spearmint Rhino
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No OTF comment on Gordon Brown's speech then, or are we all too busy calling each other slave traders?

I watched it live. What did we learn? He openly wants to be Prime Minister (is that a first?). He's inclusive about Britishness. He wants us to, er, do what we're doing now, only better.

That's just about all I could gather, anyway, from the sludge of soul-deadening verbiage. I know that one's impulse, especially after a decade of spin, is to tilt in the other direction and value content over presentation, but fucking hell, presentation - the ability to inspire people and take people with you, using the power of your oratory - has always been a vital part of politics. Brown has none. If he's up against even a mediocre demagogue like Cameron, he's doomed.

Whether or not Blair and Brown ever did have that famous restaurant meal where they carved up the "you go first, then it's my turn" deal, they've pulled a demonically clever stunt here. By positioning Brown as the PM-in-waiting, and by faking (I'm sure it's faked) an ideological divide between them, they've managed to shift the debate from "Who do we put up as a credible contender against Blair/Brownism?" to a stage-managed "When is Blair going to make way for Brown?" That's brilliant. That's fucking evil.

In any case, I hope someone at least semi-credible emerges in the next 12 months, and if they do, I reckon Brown is fucked.

And I'll be laughing my bollocks off at that crocodile-weeping fucker. Just the other week, he was on the front of the Evening Bastard, revealing his "pain" at the death of his baby daughter, and saying "that's why I want to do anything I can to save other parents from the pain of a baby's death".

Well, here's a fucking idea. How about, next time you're in a cabinet who decide to bomb the crap out of innocent civilians, killing and orphanning innumerable children, you pipe up and say "Actually, chaps, we can't do this. My conscience won't allow it."? Maybe even resign on principle?

We've heard a lot about Brown's 'moral compass', but he must have left it in his fucking glove compartment that day.

Ultimately, Brown can't, won't, won't and can't distance himself from the Iraq war. And that's why the sexfaced cunt would never get my vote.

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Nor mine.

It might be a brilliantly evil stroke, I'm quite taken with that. But it's also going to be tough to pull it off. He needs to convince people that there has been a change but that everything will be the same. I think that's hard to do.

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Still now, in the last few days, it's extraordinary to see trade union leaders, talking about how Gordon Brown "speaks our language" on policy. No, he doesn't. He speaks Blair's language, except with a stronger regional accent. Ditto Prescott.
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Croute au fromage et oeuf au plat
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Excellent stuff SR. For years we've been told Brown was a man of principles and not spin but it seems that he is just as unprincipled as Blair but without the charisma...Talk about forcing someone on the good people of the Kingdom...
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wingco - Yes, but the point of reference has shifted. It's not Blair any more, it's Reid.

[ 25.09.2006, 17:28: Message edited by: Bartali Toro ]

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TonTon
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What's different about Reid?
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He speaks Blair's language, except with a stronger regional accent. Ditto Prescott.
Indeed. He's one of the worst offenders when it comes to the fountain of managerial-speak drivel that pours out of New Labour.

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Whether or not Blair and Brown ever did have that famous restaurant meal where they carved up the "you go first, then it's my turn" deal, they've pulled a demonically clever stunt here. By positioning Brown as the PM-in-waiting, and by faking (I'm sure it's faked) an ideological divide between them, they've managed to shift the debate from "Who do we put up as a credible contender against Blair/Brownism?" to a stage-managed "When is Blair going to make way for Brown?" That's brilliant. That's fucking evil.
It's even more cunning than that. By virtue of the Blair-Brown power struggle, real or not, they are the only two real centres of power in the PLP, especially since Cook died. Anybody hoping to get decent support in a leadership election has to go in one of those two camps, basically. The stop-Gordon votes will go to Reid or Milburn or whoever the Blairites put up, while Brown will attract the votes of the anti-Blairites - those that can be bothered to vote, anyway.
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fuck the speech, I fucking love that song.
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Hasn't Gordon Brown been the driving force behind the disaster and scandal that goes by the name of PFI? Far more so than would have been needed merely in order to align himself tactically with Blairism?
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Great post, SR, as usual.

Does anyone in the party who didn't support the invasion stand a chance of running against Gordo? Aren't they all tarred with the same blood-stained brush?

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Yeah, Brown is pretty much Mr PFI. There was a special report all about it in a recent Private Eye and it's even more of an utter scandal than it appears on first sight, difficult as that may be to believe.
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TonTon - his verbiage is different. He speaks of law and order, of civil rights being unsustainable luxuries, of single mums on estates smoking for socialism.

That may not be less palatable than Brown, but it is different.

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I'd meant to make a post about that "My tears over daughter's death" shit when he opened his heart to the Sun. So there he is, on choppy waters after the whole bitch-fest that led to Blair finally announcing he was off within a year. Several people are criticising him for the way he stage-managed the whole thing so what does he do? Use the fact that he has a dead kid to make him seem human. Well, fuck you, Gordon. You dead-eyed scheming bastard.

And that's just the instinctive response. Leaving out the issue SR rightly raises about all those dead Iraqi children.

Don;t forget that this is the bastard who chose to flex his muscles by threatening then ultimately green-lighting variable tuition fees for Universities, at once pulling up a social ladder and furthermore driving a coach and horses through a cast-iron manifesto promise. Remnind those cunts of that one next time they try canvassing you about what they pledge to do next time.

I've said it before and I'll say it with incresing regularity between now and the next election: fuck Labour and fuck anyone who votes for them.

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TonTon - his verbiage is different. He speaks of law and order, of civil rights being unsustainable luxuries, of single mums on estates smoking for socialism.

That may not be less palatable than Brown, but it is different.

Yeah, I'm no Brown-ite but if it's between him and Reid then there's absolutely no choice whatsoever. I fucking hate John Reid.

I'm moderately surprised that Peter Hain hasn't been touted more as a possible candidate to stand against Brown.

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sexfaced cunt
How long before CH4 NEWS start using expressions such as this? It'd certainly encourage me to tune in.
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