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gt3
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<applause for Villain>
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I was quite impressed by Monet's Turneresque paintings of the Thames in the Royal Academy's exhibition. I mean, they're not a patch on Turner himself, but they're pretty good paintings nonetheless.
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I really hate the kind of art in Tubby's first post.

Gaudy, non-real, melodramatic rubbish.

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But anyway, here's something that I saw today, and liked.

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Julian Opie - Imagine That You Are Driving

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I love Delacroix for the exact reason SR hates him: that mad over-the-topness. I'd never taken SR, till now, as an opponent of the gaudy and melodramatic...
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Cheers.
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That was meant as a compliment.
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quote:
You're so cultured
Like you weren't thinking the same thing.
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Well, you know, I see 'gaudy' as a negative (and, say, 'colourful' as a positive), likewise melodramatic/dramatic.

That Delacroix stuff just looks like someone's vomited on the canvas. And I know that paint was quite perishable in those days and the colours might have faded over time, but look at the nicotine yellow on the horse's mane, also used for the clouds. Blehhh.

To me, the grotesque clutter of those historical tableaux just speaks of the scarcity of canvas: "We don't have a lot of space, so we're gonna cram everything into this one frame."

I'm mindful of the folly of dismissing all pre-1860 art as merely points on the learning curve, and not just because I'm scared of people considering me 'uncultured' or whatever. (Fuck it, I actually like some of that stuff.)

But I'm also not scared to dismiss most of it thus.

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Yeah, I know you're a neophile, art-wise.

I'm certainly not a neophobe, but I'm not really a fan of the cool-and-clean aesthetic of the Opie painting. (I much prefer Dali, actually.) I think I have a bit of a taste for the melodramatic really, or at least the emotionally overwrought. Caravaggio, Goya, them lot.

I know what you mean about clutter, though, in the first painting. The best of Tubby's three, for me, is probably the third, for all its vulgar orientalism.

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Yeah, rather like Hogarth, the composition is a bit of a mess. But for me the colour is so good it holds it all together, and it kind of attracts and repels. It's interesting what painters make of the East too.

SR, El Greco? It's hard to believe that eg Toledo was done 1860.

I like Julian Opie's portraits and I like that road up there.

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Gaudy, non-real, melodramatic rubbish.
Et tu, Dalí fan?
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Even though they often contain a large number of objects, there's actually a lot of space in Dali's paintings.

And I was hoping I wouldn't need to spell out the distinction between 'surreal' and 'non-real', but anyway... Tubby's paintings are presented as true (if obviously heroic) historical depictions, but I just look at them and think "That never happened, and if it did, it didn't happen like that." That's what I mean by non-real. Attempts at realism which are completely unconvincing.

With Dali, however, the style of his paintings is (in most cases) utterly realistic. It is what they are depicting which is not. That's why they work.

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I've never thought Delacroix set out to be realistic though. It's highly and deliberatley idealised isn't it?

I think realism is really quite a modern thing, you know. I always thought it started with Manet.

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Also, the sheer ugliness. Yeuch. Tubby, do you have prints of that stuff on the walls of your flat? It's garish and hideous and overblown. It's like the Last Night Of The Fucking Proms in paint form.
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