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Wyatt Earp
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No, it's more like Beethoven's Fifth in paint form, really. Which you wouldn't have on as background music, any more than you'd use Delacroix as decor.
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I think SR's said everything I think on this thread.

The best stuff I've seen recently was a lovely piece of textured art that was on sale in a hotel in Cape Town. We ended up buying it (it was stupidly cheap), and it has just shipped over and been put up on our wall. It's clean and crisp and playful and has an airfix model in it. I have no idea what the name of the artist is.

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Tubby Isaacs
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I don't think he did either. It's stylized but there seems to be something fairly new and striking in this style. I don't think Atilla would have been painted like that by anyone else. Funny that I like what SR hates, the colour, which holds that third picture altogether for me, and looks a bit like Rubens, but the figures are altogether more dramatic.

How about Delacroix's most famous image of 1848, SR?

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Realism meaning things looking exactly like they do to our eyes, possibly the Dutch still life painters did that first, like Kalf. Realistic history painting, that's more difficult.

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That's rightly his most famous one. I love the Turneresque background, from the fog of which the revolutionaries emerge.
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I couldn't help myself being impressed by this when I saw it recently:

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Ingres: Portrait of Napoléon on the Imperial Throne

It's meant to - and does - impress you so much that you walk away with a concave cranium.

It's part of the Citizens and Kings exhibition that's on at the RA at he moment. Subtitled "Portraits in the Age of Revolution, 1760—1830", the exhibition was a bit of a disappointment inasmuch as it made hardly anything of the purported context. There was nothing to bring out the effects of the revolutionary climate on the contemporary art. Now, perhaps there wasn't any discernable effect on techniques and modes of presenting the subject, but even this would have been a reasonable conclusion if the exhibition had been constructed to make the point. As it is, it's just a bunch of portaits that were painted at roughly the same time as each other, and that's that.

But there are a couple of startling pieces on display. There's this self-portait sculture in lead by Franz Messerschmidt, which was made in 1779 but looks as if it belongs to the 1930s:
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And this, by Gericault but looking for all the world like it could have been painted by Balthus oh, twenty years ago:

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Gericault's excellent from what I've seen of him, and linked by Clark with Delacroix he says is his "spiritual heir", though I'm not sure why. G's portraits of the mentally ill are remarkably penetrating.

Those kids don't look sexualized enough for Balthus.

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quote:
Realism meaning things looking exactly like they do to our eyes,
I've never been sure what this is supposed to mean. Even photorealism is more a comment upon the impossibility of doing this than anything else...

I suppose this is part of the reason I'm such a neophile about art.

btw, did anyone see that Rothko that David Rockefeller is auctioning for (I think) $47 million? I like Rothko, a lot, and I'm not doing the "aren't art prices ridiculous, why, a five-year-old child could draw that" thing, but...

it's not actually very good, is it?

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quote:
Those kids don't look sexualized enough for Balthus.
Well, I meant it more in terms of the style, the expressions, the slightly wrong proportions of the figures and so on. And there's something a bit disturbing about it somehow, don't you think?

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Toro, yeah, I suppose mean basically as in a photo in appearance. Dali, SR's example, does this remarkably well. Dutch painters like Kalf, I think, took more care over appearances than anyone before. Kenneth Clark links this sort of painting with Dutch materialism and says "this was the sort of art they were bound to get. Well, they also got Rembrandt!"

Andy, yes there is something disturbing. I agree.

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it's not actually very good, is it?

Probably is but you have to be there with it to know for sure.

Art reproduction — be it print, web, whatever — plays all painting false and it does for Rothko worse than almost anyone. I mean we all know colour and scale matter but blithely ignore the fact most of the time. The Rothkos the Tate holds, which are the only ones I've spent any extended time with, are truly sublime in the classical sense. I'm someone who finds it extremely hard to meditate but sit me in front of those and I'm surfing the beta waves in seconds and you'll have to send out a search party to bring me back.

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See, I do know what you mean, but...

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Hmmm. "White Center"? More like "Shite Center"...

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Has aiatl got your computer again?
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Hee. No, I had his, only it wasn't his, it was #10's girlfriend's sister's...
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Hmmm. "White Center"? More like "Shite Center"...

But judging it from that pic is like me reading Lao Tzu with my two feeble years of modern Chinese: woeful at best, totally inaccurate at worst.

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Yeah, I know. I'm just not sure how that is going to translate into anything particularly revelatory in the flesh.

Rockefeller himself says he never really liked it, just bought it to keep his collection advisor happy, and pretty much forgot about it until someone told him how much it had risen in value (he bought it for about $50,000, I think), and decided to sell.

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