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The Batebe of Toro Foundation
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About many things, but probably not about this.

Saying he should tell the truth despite the principle, because of who he is, is like saying you should allow the police to search your house if you haven't done anything wrong. If the law entitles him not to testify about this, it's an important entitlement, and one whose waiver merely casts aspersions on anybody else who uses it.

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He can use his legal rights to the full to protect himself, just as any other defendant would.

But now he is trying to spin his stalling, minimal cooperation and non-willingness to submit documents as a form of protecting the constitution.

That's just rubbing the peoples' noses in it. Not only does he get away with being an arse, he's trying to resell it as heroics. Delusions of grandeur is what it is.

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All elected representatives, let alone our glorious leader, are supposed to be above reproach and should not have any problems in working in complete transparency with a government-appointed tribunal. The fact that Ahern is just about onside legally while doing this does not make it any better.

The man has spent 18 months refusing to give a straight answer to a simple question. He has made a series of conflicting statements in the Dail in that bewildered gobbledegook way of his and it has been enough to keep the wolves from the door for the most part.

He tried this at the Mahon Tribunal and got destroyed, so obviously enough he doesn't want them going through his financial statements in the same forensic manner.

At this stage nobody with a brain would believe Ahern if he told them the sun sets in the west. Unfortunately a large chunk of the Irish electorate has shown itself time and again to be brain-free.

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They're not so much brain-free, as not bothered. Ahern & FF weren't re-elected because the public believed them to be ethical beings, they were re-elected because they believed them to be most likely to continue the economic success. Financial corruption was of lesser importance to the masses. The greedy bastards.

We are seeing two different approaches from Ahern on this matter - In the Dail he can control the forum, but at the tribunal he has to sit there and respond when he's addressed. And it's this environment that he can't deal with, so he's being deliberately uncooperative.

As Drebin said, elected representatives should be transparent. Ahern clearly is not, and he's hoping that enough boxes will be ticked so he can be classified as compliant, yet his behaviour throughout this process shows him to be unwilling to play by the rules or to have standards applied to him. Not fit for office.

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This shows the differing standards applying in Ultonia and Yugoirlandia. In our current financial-political scandal, Baby Doc Paisley is struggling to defend THREE gravy train jobs- as well as MLA in the pretendy parliament, he's a councillor plus Dad's 'researcher'. Nothing illegal there, but he's extracting the urine big time.

Kev Myers has a point, ye know. Reintegrate the 26 now!

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Jail! Jail! (1:05)

He had much less of a Dublin accent then. Perhaps even a very light Cork accent.

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This shows the differing standards applying in Ultonia and Yugoirlandia.
After only having had a proper government for about 10 months, a minister steps down due to developers-related dodginess. They're a lot more like us than they would wish to admit . . .
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At least he stepped down. Ian Paisley Jnr. is on higher moral ground than Bertie Ahern.
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They would be if Saint Bartholomew had resigned. Paisley does the honorable thing shock.

Meanwhile, rumors ciruclate about UEFA taking strong action against member FAs being intimidated by politicians, or accepting large-scale sponsorship conditional on sacking employees.

We'll get Spain's place if they get kicked out of the finals (although institutionalised racism would be a better justification). You get demoted to third in the group [Wink]

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RTE:

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A new opinion poll shows a significant increase in the number of people who do not believe Taoiseach Bertie Ahern's evidence to the Mahon Tribunal.

Despite this the Red C poll in today's Sunday Business Post shows an increase in support for Fianna Fáil.

Fucking Lemmings.
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A significant increase. So now just over 50% don't believe him. What was it before?

He's back in today, isn't he?

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Yes, he was back in today. He admitted that taking out a 19 grand loan, at a time of very high interest rates, when you say you have 50 grand stashed away in a safe (also at a time of very high interest rates) would be unnecessary.

But he was only Minister of Finance, what would he know about money management.

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Oh, and this just came out a few minutes ago:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0221/ahernb.html

There's even more unaccounted money... He's run out of friends to use now so he's saying he got money from family.

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Mr Ahern cannot explain the source of a £5,000 cheque cashed at the Irish Permanent on the day the savings account was opened.

He said he did receive a contribution from someone around that time but he could not recall from whom, he described the payment as, 'a political donation for my personal use'.

He told the Tribunal that his mother gave him a cheque for £7,000 which he lodged to his savings account in March 1993, a further £5,000 was given to him by his brother, which he says may be a lodgement made in December 1995.

Expressing his frustration with the questioning, Mr Ahern asked Judge Alan Mahon if he was expected to reveal the nature of his parents' banking affairs.

Keep on digging away...

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The £5000 may be from some guy who is dead now, whose company has no record of the transaction; but yes, he definitely recalls it was 'a political donation for my personal use'.
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He makes Stephen Ireland look good.
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