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Bomb A Nero
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Bomb A Nero
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And what E10 said, too.
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I have noticed that the board, by and large, seems to lean towards Obama over Clinton. I have also noticed that the board, to put it mildly, does not have an overly favourable opinion of Blair.
I reckon that most here who favour Obama do so because he is not that awful woman who'll tear apart her own party in the pursuit of her own ambition, who voted for Iraq, who promises to continue the hardline on Cuba, and doubtless various other things. It's not really a preference for Obama.
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Yeah, that and all.
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Cognative dissonance ?

To paraphrase James Carville circa '92, "it's Iraq, stupid."

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Also, Obama seems to have a rare quality among politicians, that of being a fairly decent human being. His personal background and life experiences are highly unusual in American politics and bode well for a fresh start. When you consider the quality of people who are endorsing and counselling him, like Samantha Power, you know he's cut from a different cloth.

Blair on the other hand is a filthy liar and a hypocrite, that much was extremely obvious in the run-up before the Iraq invasion. Some of this hypocrisy is kind of apparent with the Clintons.

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Duncan Gardner v8.2
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When you consider the quality of people who are endorsing and counselling him, like Samantha Power
Maybe Obama needs an adviser who doesn't start ranting in on the record interview?
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I'm a wine, beer, gin and tonic, JD on the rocks and a double scotch on the way to the pub door socialist. At the moment. Stress, you see.
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The Batebe of Toro Foundation
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It was not remotely a rant, and it's dubious at best to say it was on the record, Dunc.
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I'm more of a CFDC socialist, right now. But anyway, I think there's a mix of people on here who prefer Obama to Clinton, for a mix of reasons.
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Duncan Gardner v8.2
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Exaggerated personal jibes count as ranting in my book, and I've dished out (and taken) enough of them.

The journalist and newspaper (Scotsman) are adamant the interview was on the record. Not that I particularly trust the fourth, of course. Last time I gave an interview (at a slightly less exalted level, for the Bookseller), the hack reassured me it was off the record. "Aye, right" I smiled, "but make sure ye spell my name properly".

He did.

PS Quality people may be endorsing and counselling Obama purely because they think he's going to win.

[ 09.03.2008, 19:42: Message edited by: Duncan Gardner v8.2 ]

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It's not exaggerated, and it's not particularly a jibe. It was a line calmly delivered in a discussion of Clinton's campaign tactics and - in context - a perfectly meaningful and accurate term for the claim that was being made, albeit somewhat undiplomatically phrased. So, neither a rant nor an exaggerated personal jibe.

The journalist and paper state that the interview was on the record, and Power agrees. However, upon saying the "monster" line, she immediately said "that's off the record, by the way". The newspaper and journalist agree she said that, but chose to disregard that as being an utterance within the on-the-record context, rather than a qualification of it.

Which may technically be correct, but is, as I say, "dubious at best".

[ 09.03.2008, 19:49: Message edited by: The peak of El Toro-quino ]

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It's naive to assume saying 'off the record' will get journalists' sympathy after blurting out an indiscretion. She's no longer just an academic on a signing tour, but a spokeswoman for the potential president.

Initial reports described her as 'Irish'- but as she emigrated aged nine, that may have been a less than subtle attempt to blame dumb foreigners who just don't understand American culture [Wink]

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She's an academic and a former journalist, giving an interview about her forthcoming book. Come off it.

I've seen her called "Irish-born", but never just "Irish"...

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PS Quality people may be endorsing and counselling Obama purely because they think he's going to win.
Actually, you're dead wrong on this Duncan. Obama came out of nowhere to wrestle the nomination from Clinton, who was the prohibitive odds-on favorite and who got the endorsement and support of the establishment and most of those who thought "she's going to win". She got most of the money from this constituency.

What makes Obama's candidacy remarkable is that he was able to take the lead mostly through his grassroots support and individual donations. As such, he's less dependent on special interests.

And you can reproach Power's lack of PR polish, but there hasn't been anyone with half her ethical and moral fiber within an American administration since Jimmy Carter.

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/power.html

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