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Lucy Waterman It Be
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I'm baffled as to the need for that, but that's probably your problem more than mine.
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quote:
But there's certainly no point in debating this issue here.

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Much more your problem, Lucy. Anyone who sympathises with what Israel is doing now can only be some kind of psychopath.
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(Edit- Parody of gerontophile's posts replacing Israel with Rwandan Hutus deleted on reflection for excessive snideness)

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Lucy Waterman It Be
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Well, yeah. There is no point. Positions are entrenched and dogmatic, to the point where their proponents believe they are absolutely objective (as if they could be). It's pointless.
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Actually my problem is less with Lucy's stated support for Israel (which after all he hasn't clarified in any way) and more with his ridiculous approach to the conversation which amounts to "There's no point telling you my view because you'll all disagree with me".
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All conversation is pointless if that's the case. And you might wonder about the point of spending any time on a message board if that's your attitude.
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Lucy Waterman It Be
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Not really. I just think that on this topic, there's not much room for useful discussion due to a lack of maneouvrrability on both sides, cf. the interminable threads on Catholicism.
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I did not mean to enter into any debate on this issue, hence my not giving any detail on my position. In my initial contribution, just wanted to express solidarity with Gerontophile, as it can be very lonely being in a corner on this board. Perhaps this would have been better as a PM - I can see how it could be interpreted as a wind-up, but I had hoped my non-aggressive tone would make my intention clear.
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right, firstly apologies to all for my buggering off. I had been otherwise engaged. (Work, and some R&R)

The thing is, and I definitely didnt explain this clearly, I have no rational explanation as to why I support Israel. I had a very-pro Israel teacher at school, whom I respected, and some of his bias has almost certainly rubbed off. However that is almost 30 years ago, and I should have been intelligent enough to question his thoughts rather than blindly follow all as fact.

I didnt just come into this thread to be weighed under with howls of derision (however deserved they may be). However as I definitely did say upthread, it is a very definite blindspot which I have in my makeup.

I know that none of this explanation is good enough for this board, and especially on a thread of this type, which invokes extremely strong feelings, and I can only say sorry. I wont delete any of my posts or anything stupid like that, but I will think before I open my gob next time, when I clearly dont have the backup to do so.

I did open the link at the top to of course find, that I am an unfeeling shithead. Wyatt said something upthread about being for a pro-Israel homeland, and being anti-bombing the crap out of others to do so. That to me, seems eminently sensible.

My posts on Page 1 (and possibly 2) were callous and unthinking, and I am sorry for that.

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Well, yeah. There is no point. Positions are entrenched and dogmatic, to the point where their proponents believe they are absolutely objective (as if they could be). It's pointless.
Come off it. What you really mean is, whenever you try to post your controversial political views on here, you get slayed. With facts, not dogma.

gerontophile: out of genuine interest, can I ask: what happens to your blind spot when you see the mountains of evidence that the Israeli government/army are a bunch of murderous cunts?

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Come off it. What you really mean is, whenever you try to post your controversial political views on here, you get slayed. With facts, not dogma.
If only I wasn't so easily distracted, I'D BE ABLE TO LEAD YOU ALL TO THE TRUTH.
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What the fuck does that mean? What's the point of a post like that? How is that not trolling?
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Erm, that was self-mocking.
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don't know how this country would react if it was surrounded by hostile nations and getting regular rocket attacks; I daresay pretty bloodily.
Israel is surrounded by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. It has peace treaties with two of those countries, and the other two pose no military threat to it whatsoever.

Hezbollah, which is based in Lebanon, has the capacity to conduct guerrilla raids against Israel, true. But it is a militia formed in response to aggression committed against Lebanon by Israel.

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