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The 7th Baron Bartok
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I'm voting for Boris. I know a lot of people on here really really hate him, but as soon as he put "get rid of the bendy buses" on his manifesto, he had my vote in the bag. Those monstrosities really are the worst new thing in London since I first started work here in 1986.
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I heard Rudy G was planning to stand, since the presidency thing didn't work out for him.
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I'm voting for Ken. With no illusions (as the old saying goes), but with no real doubts either.

If bendy buses are the worst thing you've seen in London in the past 20 years you want to get out more, or is that a piss-takey point? I thought your politics were quite green these days 7BB? Boris would be the worst choice on those criteria.

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Voting for Boris is the moron's choice, no matter where you sit on the left to right spectrum. The man's a fucking idiot. I am consistently puzzled by this idea that he's a credible choice. Same as Cameron, really; obvious blatant thickos.

[ 07.03.2008, 01:13: Message edited by: Super Sharp Shooter ]

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The 7th Baron Bartok
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He's at least as credible as that demagogic twat Ken Livingstone (which admittedly is not a high threshold). And his intellectual faculties are comfortably above the level required for the job.

Yes, E10, it is green issues that normally sway me in politics, and I vote Green at nearly every election. I'd be interested to hear just what it is that Boris proposes that is so un-green compared to Ken. The more important stuff greenery-wise is done at the borough level anyway. And no, I'm not joking about the bendy buses. I hate them with a passion and I think introducing them to the narrow, traffic-choked streets of London was one of the most stupid decisions I've heard of in local transport policy. It adversely affects the comfort, convenience and safety of hundreds of thousands of people on London streets, whether bus passengers, drivers, cyclists or pedestrians, every day.

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Well, blame the bus company that introduced them (Arriva), rather than Ken Livingstone.

I'd be interested to hear just what it is that Boris proposes that is so un-green compared to Ken.

I'd be interested to hear just what it is that Boris proposes. All I've heard is that he's going to get rid of the bendys. Big fucking wow.

Boris is vastly intelligent, but is a loathsome cunt with even more loathsome right wing politics. But he's intelligent to hide it behind his staged buffoonery. He's no longer tory cunt Boris, but student cult hero. But deep down, he's cut from the same cloth as Thatcher.

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I like bendy buses, meself. And so I'll be giving Ken my second vote.

Actually, I'll be doing that with a heavy heart and after much soul-searching. There are some things about Livingstone that I like - he's been consistently anti-war and he's stood up firmly on the right side against the rising tide of Islamaphobia. And he even seems to have finally worked out that New Labour's housing policy is a disgrace and that council housing is worth building.

But weighed against his craven grovelling before the City - opposing Gordon Brown from the right on non-dom taxes, FFS - his disgusting support for Ian Blair, and his attacks on tube workers...well, he's clearly not a candidate I could give wholehearted support to.

But Johnson is a deeply reactionary politician. I'd call him as worse than Thatcher on a personal level - I don't think she was the racist that Johnson is, for starters. A cunt in twat's clothing remains the best description I've heard of him.

The great thing about the London mayoral election is that you get the chance to vote for someone you actually agree with, and at the same time to support the least awful of the others. So I'll be voting for Lindsey German, a socialist campaigner I have a huge deal of time and respect (teehee) for. And I'll then hold my nose and put a two next to Livingstone.

[ 07.03.2008, 19:11: Message edited by: TonTon ]

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Lardinho
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I have no idea who'll get my vote.

Instinctively it would be Brian Paddick, but frankly I know almost nothing at all about his policies apart from some fairly sensible comments on policing. In his favour is that he hates Ian Blair, and that he'd introduce a 10 fee for non-residents driving into the current LEZ. I don't quite understand why he'd also scrap the LEZ itself, though.

Boris is intelligent and would scrap Bendies. And he cycles. That's in his favour. Against him is his deliberate trying to stir race issues with his use of language; and his general small-state twattery, like a true believer in US neo-liberalism. He's not the kind of man who should be anywhere near a state school system, or a vital public transport network.

Ken has done almost nothing of any value since he rejoined Labour, the good stuff I've seen from the second term is merely the LEZ. That's it. The city is a shambles to get around at the moment. The fact that there are bendy-buses does actually make it much worse, as anyone heading down Gower Street with most of it dug up by the sewer monkeys at the moment would know. I cycled over to Ladbroke Grove the other day. My standard route was disrupted 4 or 5 times by roadworks. It is just shambolic. In addition, against Ken is his cronyism and corruption, and frankly every politician involved in that sort of behaviour should get a kicking from the electorate; and the electorate should never endorse a sitting candidate involved in stuff like Jaspergate. And the extension westwards of the CC to include a largely residential area was just plain stupid. It increases congestion and makes it cheaper for the Chelsea and Kensington 4x4 brigade. And the 25 charge on high pollution vehicles may be welcome, but to pretend it's anything to do with congestion and make it part of the congestion charge is actually pretty insidious, because as it's made with a false argument it creates a strong platform for those arguing against environmental charging; don't call it congestion charge, call it a pointless pollution charge. Also, of course, if you're trying to cut congestion why let in, for free, low pollution cars. The policy is confused and seems to not be about congestion at all.

Unlike TonTon, I have almost no sympathies with the further-left politicians, and wouldn't vote for them. (Or, obviously, BNP or UKIP or whoever).

Sian Berry seems a bit wet, but not as barking mad as many greens are. And although the overall policies are always too extreme for my tastes, the influence of the Greens at the GLA has almost all been good.

But I think bottom of the list is Ken. Hateful though Boris is, I don't see how I could with any conscience vote for Ken.

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Antonio Gramsci
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I vote TonTon puts up a thread devoted to his own campaign, which seems far more interesting than this Boris v Ken stuff.
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Should more people than residents of London be able to vote on this?

London moreso than other cities, I would think most people agree, affects everyone in the country and has visitors from the whole country and we all pay for it to some degree.

Perhaps a proportioanl percentage of votes? So londoners have 50% of the vote and the rest of the country can have the other 50%?

Am I talking shit here?

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I think we should all have a vote in the US presidential elections too, for the same reason.
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Antonio Gramsci
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Would you pay for that right, ad hoc? No representation without taxation, y'know. But if you voluntarily paid taxes I can see Americans allowing it.

It would be like me having a membership at Barcelona or something.

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Hahahaha.

I wasn't serious, AG. But that no representation without taxation thing is crock of shit anyway. I lived and paid taxes in the US for 6 years and never got a vote.

[ 07.03.2008, 09:41: Message edited by: ad hoc ]

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quote:
I'd be interested to hear just what it is that Boris proposes that is so un-green compared to Ken
Scrapping the congestion charge?

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Am I talking shit here?
100% gold-plated toilet-dirt, yes.
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Antonio Gramsci
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Yeah, ad hoc, I know you can`t do it *now* - but I`m thinking you could sell this idea to the states in future. Democrats would love it because it would get them more votes and republicans would love it because they could reduce taxes on "native" Americans.
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