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Lardinho
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I'm not sure Boris Johnson is actually racist. I have a feeling that he is cynically playing to the Daily Mail/Evening Standard "it's PC gone mad" brigade by deliberately using language that he would never normally use.

That is no defence of him. I just think that he's sufficiently intelligent that he's using racist language for cynical purposes and deliberately stoking racial tension to try and appeal to a certain constituency, rather than actually believing the nonsense. It's very, very dangerous, cynical and horribly unpleasant.

It's the main reason I couldn't vote for him. That and the Darius Guppy stuff. And the neo-liberal tendency. The Bullingdon, Eton, bumbling toff stuff I really couldn't care about.

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I always imagined Johnson was going to be a joke candidate, a sort of Screaming Lord Arsehole. I'm amazed he's polling neck and neck with "Red" Ken.

Livingstone's pretty bad - he was an absolute idiot to have defended Lee Jasper for so long and I was amazed when he was fool enough to employ him in the first place, having been aware of him when he was still at the 1990 Trust. Plus, what everyone else said. But whereas, in a hypothetical situation where I had three choices - Brown, Cameron, or not at all, I would have to go for not at all, in a similar one with Johnson and Livingstone I would vote for Livingstone unhesitatingly. As it is, I'll vote for someone who has no chance of getting in, as sadly, they are the only ones who don't turn your stomach.

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I interpreted Johnson's candidacy as a gesture of contempt from the Conservative party towards the London authority- this is after all the party that abolished the GLC, and opposed the establishement of the GLA and Mayor's office. I'm not sure David Cameron really thought he'd have a chance of winning, and if Ken Livingstone, through his arrogance and poor judgement hadn't made himself so unpopular, he wouldn't have.
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Lucy Waterman It Be
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But whereas, in a hypothetical situation where I had three choices - Brown, Cameron, or not at all,
That is the case when it comes to 2nd prefs, though.
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Lardinho
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I'd struggle to give either main candidate my second preference vote, let alone my first.
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wingco
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YATR, that's probably true.
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Can someone spell out exactly what Ken's cronyism amounts to? I'm not doing a 'see no evil' blind loyalty thing here at all, but 'cronyism' is bandied about fairly casually a lot in discussions about him and I'd like to see it nailed down.

Part of his problem is that he's a classic back-room operator, and as a result has always relied heavily on the scheming Socialist Action cabal that he's surrounded himself with since the late 80s, who aren't the most inclusive and open people in the world.

Ultimately though, it has to be a 'by all means necessary' thing to beat the cunt in twat's clothing. It's not just that Johnson winning would be a bad thing for London, it's that it would also probably re-energies the Tory right and give them a new spring in their step.

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Antonio Gramsci
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Can I just say that the term "cunt in twat's clothing" is the greatest phrase I've heard in months? Thank you, TonTon and E10.
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E10Rifle
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Unfortunately, the credit for this belongs to Purves. The cunt.
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TonTon
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It's Purves's highpoint, definitely.

My first bit of campaigning as such is tomorrow. I did start a thread a while back, so maybe I should update that.

[ 07.03.2008, 20:02: Message edited by: TonTon ]

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"Crony" is one of those words that sounds like something pejorative ("crone" or something, I guess), which the press start using when they want to criticise something. Refugees, for example, became "asylum seekers" when editors started thinking, "hmm, if they're refugees, then they're seeking asylum, so if we start using that, people will start subconsciously associating them with the word "lunatic".

Anyway, I'm going off-topic there. Boris Johnson is fucking vile. Anyone that falls for the "fluffy, bumbling fool" schtick that he gives is playing right into his hands. On top of that, if he can't manage his own hair, how can he be expected to manage a city of 7 million people?

Note: sharp political analysis, there.

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As we've said before, the London Mayor was given powers by Blair to bypass the usual local government stuff and Get Things Done. I don't think Livingstone has done much more than use the powers in the way intended- except not on the intended people (ie businessmen). But he appointed Jasper and was happy for him to go ultra vires with disgraceful leaning on the LDA, and didn't appoint anyone else to hold him to account. That feeble Dispatches programme might have been better if it had worried about his appointees having little experience or inclination for their jobs rather than that they were ex "Socialist Action" or whatever.

After the Congestion Charge, I've seen very little good in Livingstone. Not least re congestion itself where he's given up on congestion and started talking about "vehicles driving into London" as though that is the same thing. Personally, I'd consider more congestion from fewer vehicles to be a disaster. Lardinho has flagged up the crap cycling policy.

And what the heck is this Oxford Street tram scheme? I doubt a tenth of the buses who currently use Oxford Street could be diverted down Wigmore Street or wherever.

I'm finding it hard to care who wins. Though that might change when I sober up.

[ 08.03.2008, 04:02: Message edited by: Tubby Isaacs ]

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Has having a mayor been a good or bad thing overall? We occasionally have the debate up here about replacing the provosts with mayors.

Provosts are elected by the councillors*, rather than the public. That might be a problem right there - Holyrood, Westminster, councils; a mayoral election might be one too many.

*Actually, I've just realised that I'm not sure how provosts get the job. I think that's right though.

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Well the mayor (and assembley, for what it's worth) repaced "nothing at all", as far as elected government for London is concerned, so I would imagine most people would see that as a positive things.
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The mayor/cabinet thing in local government has been a very bad development, leading to less collegiate governing, less scrutiny and more greasy pole climbing.
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