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Gus Tomato
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...and had helped him write songs as well as helping with set designs and lighting.

Hahahahaha.
Right.
Mind you, Paul did allow his first wife to 'play' keyboards.

Adopt a minefield, indeed.
I think Paul took it too literally.

Score draw.
Brazen chancer fleeces bollock-faced old cunt.

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The Batebe of Toro Foundation
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Ly - I can't see why that denigrates humans as a species, any more than your vegetarianism elevates us all.
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Etienne
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There are all sorts of instances when animal rights run counter to human rights - and linus posits seal clubbing as one of them, explictly stating why he does so.

Like Toro, I'm not sure I'm convinced by his argument - I think the benefit to certain humans that result could be achieved in less barbarous ways - and the fact that some factory farming is more barbarous doesn't negate that - but it's not one that's without merit.

Now most people draw the line as to when they'll put human interests above animal ones in different places, but even the most committed vegan animal rights activists I've known would tend to an injured human before an injured rabbit if they were lying next to each other.

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Well I suppose I think it does because - we have distaste for it, and taboos against it - but we can't extend that scruple along with the exercise of power.

and beLIEVE me, I don't think I do anything to elevate the species.

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But who is "we"? I've never fed cow parts to a cow, and I don't imagine you have.

The practice went on in large part because people weren't aware about it - it stopped pretty soon after the public found out (that aspect of) how their meat was being produced.

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lyra
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I suppose I feel guilty about it because those who had the power to do it were allowed to do it. And because the general requirement for cheapness seems to be what drives these awful farming practices.

It's difficult to explain actually. I thought I had a handle on it when I reacted to the cannibalism thing but it's not as simple as I thought it was. After all if humans really are "higher" and "more important" in some objective sense then why should making another species transgress boundaries that humans (mostly) wouldn't be in any way wrong? Unless you argue that being "higher" brings with it a moral imperative not to abuse power. Was public opinion opposed on the principle that it's wrong or on the principle that it causes disease? Both, probably.

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I'd say it was mostly because it's a bit icky. nothing more reasoned than that...
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I nearly used the word icky...
Bit like the whole incest thing.

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quote:
Linus is being allowed to have it both ways here. First he brings up Paul McCartney's views on the war in connection with his views on animal rights (you want "irrelevant", well how about that?!)
It's not irrelevant at all. It's central to his argument about choosing one cause at the expense of the other, for selfish reasons.

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then his apologists deny that he ever claimed that there is a connection (when it was, at the very least, strongly implied).
No, we're denying that he made the connection you think he did: that there's "a direct connection between opposing seal hunting and supporting the invasion of Iraq". He explicitly didn't argue this.
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Bloody hell - she's Sharon Stone in Casino isn't she?
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See, I thought this was about that Beatle and his ex, and here you all go having a properly interesting conversation when I wasn't watching.

I'm with linus when he says that animal rights are an easy cause for people to support when they (a) feel the need to support a cause and (b) don't want to grapple with complexity. That doesn't mean, by any means, this this is why all or most people support animal rights. Neither does it make them wrong (in fact, you could argue that the clear-cut character of the argument makes them more obviously right). But I reckon that just as feeding the hungry is a worthwhile cause that nonetheless has its Bonos, reducing animal cruelty is one that has its Maccas.

And priorities do come into this. Within the field of animal protection, the fate of broiler and battery fowl seems to me hugely more urgent than the Arctic cull, which does raise the question why it's taken so long for a high-profile campaign centred on the former to emerge. Thankfully one now has, at least here. Perhaps anything involving meat is, in practice, harder for people to unite around.

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It's not as if Sir Paul and family haven't been publicly anti-meat eating for, like, forever, though.
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I'd like to see a picture of two high profile celebs lying in battery farm gazing at a battery farm chicken.
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Mccartney's protested outside stores selling battery farmed poultry before.
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Are we allowed to eat celebrities we hunt and kill ourselves?
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