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Ginger Yellow
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"What is the significance of the Italian-based URL on the 20 dollar bill? Was Berlusconi in with the Iraqis as well? "

Clearly you've never seen this.

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The amusing thing about the Loose Change boys is that they've steadily disowned almost all their original ideas as they've been debunked one by one. The first film only just stopped short of saying that George Bush was piloting the planes, while Dick Cheney sat in an underground lair full of video screens and white-coated minions, co-ordinating the liquidation of the passengers in super-secret government mincing machines. By "Loose Change Final Cut" they'd more or less given up, and are now just pushing some vague, unfalsifiable stuff about "Bush knew something was going to happen in advance". And yet they're still striking poses, still living off the dumb kids for whom perceived rebellion is everything and critical thinking nothing. Hilarious.
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Taylor - see I don't think it's hilarious. I think it's wrong and manipulative. They shouldn't be given air time. FFS, my local Picture House recently screened that Final Cut nonsense and afforded it a level of gravitas it ill deserves. It's just plain wrong and they should be publically made to apologise. It's all part of this ridiculous conspiracy culture we live in - from Diana to 9/11 in three easy steps. There aren't enough voices in the media standing up and saying it's wrong. Arrrrgh.....
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Oh sure, it's not "hilarious" in that sense. But realistically, no one takes these people seriously except dumb kids who'll grow out of it (and if they don't grow out of it, they were always going to be idiots anyway) and folk who don't do their own research or (being charitable here) have yet to be educated in the ins and outs of terrorism, national defence or the physics of building collapse. As it stands, any otherwise reasonable person who makes these claims privately can be convinced of their folly, while anyone who makes these claims in public is just adding their name to the list of idiots it's safe to ignore or condemn (the most troubling one being Hugo Chavez, the least troubling being Rosie O'Donnell).

If no one was bothering to debunk this crap, then we'd have a real issue. As it is, anyone who's remotely caught up in this will come across the debunkings sooner or later, at which point they'll either see sense or confirm themselves as pig-headed and irrational. This stuff is disgusting, but more than that it's laughable. Thank God. In ten years, it won't be like JFK (where all people hear is the conspiracy stuff, so there's a general, erroneous acceptance that "everyone knows" it was "obviously" a conspiracy) - it'll just be the preserve of all-round conspiracy nuts, the Illuminati-killed-my-goldfish types who believe absolutely everything they're told, just so long as there's no evidence for it. No one will take it remotely seriously: even in the last two or three years, the "Truth Movement" has been falling apart.

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I see what you mean about it being laughable in that sense Taylor. I just don't see enough people standing up and doing the debunking.

Anyway, just leaving office so will disappear for a while, but will come back to this over the weekend if that's ok?

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I like this pisstake. And this one
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Google results for "9/11 conspiracy". Note preponderance of "you silly bastards" type sites, from the Popular Mechanics article to a page of cartoons which claims that watching "Loose Change" is "like being bukkaked with stupid".
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Uh, as linked by Nathan above.
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Proof of the slow death of all this stuff, by the way - the only part of the "movement" that seems to be growing still is the "no planers"... that is, people who honestly believe that no planes hit the WTC or the Pentagon, and that TV companies conspired with the government to fake the footage with video effects. Live.

There are maybe 1000 of them in the whole world.

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